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[–] -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (28 children)

Are you trying to gatekeep fucking anarchy, you fucking twit? If we don't join your shitty instance we can't be anarchists?

Put your head back up your ass and call when you grow up.

Edit: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/27128911

I'm in the wrong here.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    huh? they're saying .world users don't like anarchists, where the hell did you see gatekeeping?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Typing anything into these fucken forums with my instance name and seeing the .worlders respond.

    You see that as them saying .world users don't like anarchists. I see it as them saying .world users are all anti-anarchy.

    Saying ".worlders" doesn't imply "some", "many" or "most". It implies all.

    Lemmy.world is the largest instance. It's often the default when you sign up. By saying it the way they did, OP is discouraging and limiting discourse regarding anarchy. By painting the entire instance with the same brush OP is effectively gate keeping anarchy.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

    So then instead of "seeing the .worlders respond", would you take "seeing many of the .worlders respond"? Because that's...kind of a small change, really the only sensible reading. And it certainly doesn't deserve the vitriol.

    And even if we did assume the (false) argument that literally all .worlders are anti-anarchist...you can just sign up for an account on almost any other instance, and then by the same (false) logic you're allowed to be an anarchist again. So even under such a reading, it's barely gatekeeping at all.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    So then instead of "seeing the .worlders respond", would you take "seeing many of the .worlders respond"? Because that's...kind of a small change, really the only sensible reading.

    That's a massive change. "Many" and "All" aren't interchangeable.

    "Many" Americans voted for Trump.

    "All" Americans voted for Trump.


    "Many" anarchists describe themselves as such because they are edgelords, not anarchists.

    "All" anarchists describe themselves as such because they are edgelords, not anarchists.

    Big difference.

    As for vitrol, read the tone of OPs post before you judge mine.

    Edit: OP, a few minutes ago.

    Edgelord.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    As for vitrol, read the tone of OPs post before you judge mine.

    I literally did, it's one single sentence. You escalated the vitriol. Sanctus's vitriol was against an instance, i.e. impersonal; yours was personal.

    "Many" and "All" aren't interchangeable.

    In this context...they are. The most active and vocal users on .world, in particular the admin team, are anti-anarchist. That doesn't mean that anarchist sympathizers and even anarchists don't exist at all on .world, but it is generically true that if you say anarchist stuff in a .world community, in particular stuff that directly challenges the assumptions of liberal capitalist ideology, you will get downvoted and flamed for your views, primarily by .world liberals.

    Said differently: the dominant perspective on lemmy.world is an openly anti-anarchist social liberalism.

    However, most people aren't annoying pedants like me and don't like writing or reading huge bricks of text. This is an informal online forum, doubly so as a shitposting community; it is reasonable and expected for you to be able to sensibly fill in the details. And if you wanted to disagree with his point, you really could have stated your point without being mean to Sanctus. (You still can, since you can edit your post and apologize for coming on too strong. I've done that before.)

    And really, we're supposed to be comrades here. Not to say that we can never ever be contentious, but we really don't need to be screaming at each other if it can be avoided.

    Edit: OP, a few minutes ago.

    You're reading way too much into an off-handed comment. But since I'm an annoying pedant 😁: he said:

    I mainly chose this instance cause @anarchist.nexus sounds sicc as fucc

    He's saying that he chose this instance because it sounds cool. Not his beliefs. And there's no reason why an edgelord cannot be an anarchist. And I would argue that at least some degree of contentiousness, i.e. "edgelord behavior", is necessary (but insufficient on its own) to be an effective anarchist, for the simple reason that capitalism has made discussion about capitalism taboo.

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  • And I would argue that at least *some* degree of contentiousness, i.e. "edgelord behavior", *is* necessary (but insufficient on its own) to be an effective anarchist, for the simple reason that capitalism has made discussion about capitalism taboo.

    No, the image is related. I'll leave it to you to figure out.

    I have no beef with you. Or OP. But gatekeeping is gatekeeping. I called out what I saw and stand by it. OP could have corrected themselves but decided to double down. I did as well.

    My username checks out as well, comrade.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    See you on the front lines, homie.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    No you won't cause I'm gatekeeping that, too. The first to the fight will be the twinks. Any fighters that survive the first wave will be too weak to stop the main invasion force.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Ahh...so a coward too. Funny how many of you I run into on here. Keyboard warriors with an instance fetish.

    AINO

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    Ahh...I retract my coward comment then. You're just an asshole.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Lotta accusations here. I wonder what's being confessed.

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    Ah yes, skill. You ooze intelligence, among other things I'm sure.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)
  • Alright, I'm gonna be honest. That made me actually laugh out loud. I'd wear that shirt.

    I was harsh earlier. You're right. I think I was projecting my anger and assholishness towards you. I really dislike gatekeeping. Especially during these times when we need to draw like-minded folks together. Not fracture further.

    And I ended up doing much of the fracturing.

    I apologize. I'll leave all the messages up for accountability reasons. I'll link to this post in my original reply to your OP.

    If you'd do me a favour and not lump all the .worlders together, or all members if any large instance. Technical ability and federation understanding isn't uniform. Some are here just for the memes.

    I get that's where the main pushback is coming from. But they are the largest instance.

    That's my only point.

    Be well. See you on the front lines, twink.

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