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Democrats disagree over abolishing or reforming ICE at DNC meeting (apnews.com)
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[–] 24 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Abolish, and then literally re-form the agency from the ground up with transparency and oversight.

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  • [–] 78 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Dude fucking why? ICE didn't even exist before 2003. They don't need to exist now.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, we already have immigration and customs. No need for low intelligence thugs.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Michele Johnson, a DNC member from Louisiana who proposed the measure to abolish ICE, said it’s time for Democrats to take a stand and pointed to the dissolution of ICE’s predecessor agency, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, as a precedent.

    “I think one of the reasons why people are not trusting the party is because we sound so academic,” she said. “We sound focus group tested, we sound poll tested because we’re worried about saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing and not just like, just stand on business, like take a position.”

    I think the idea is to bring back the thing we had before 2003, INS, which definitely had its problems, but was a lot more like a bunch of IRS agents checking paperwork instead of the heavily armed and violent thing we've got with ICE

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    There was still immigration and customs enforcement going on before the agency named ICE existed with that name. Regardless of what you want to call it, there will be an agency doing those things after ICE is abolished. There is not a world where the US stops enforcing immigration and customs laws after ICE is gone. The best we can hope for is the current ICE goons get sent to prison and a new organization gets built from the ground up that is less shitty.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Yeah border patrol at least has a theoretical reason to exist, even if that purpose devolves to paper pushers but ICE is at best redundant. Really the entirety of the department of homeland security is fucking worthless and should be dissolved with maybe the twin exceptions of the coast guard and FEMA.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Why do we need armed agents of the state breaking up communities at all to enforce something that is classified as the same level of crime as jaywalking (a misdemeanor)?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I think we need border enforcement. We do not need armed thugs with little morality and oversight doing it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Why is it better to break apart communities to enforce a misdemeanor charge if calm, dispassionate armed agents of the state do it?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of things need to change and it won't be easy/overnight. I don't think CBP needs to be enforcing 200 miles from the borders, which covers almost every major populated area in the US. I think the path to citizenship needs to be a lot easier and faster. And I think misdemeanors should be enforced, but not with aggression, kidnapping, and imprisonment.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I don't think CBP needs to be enforcing 200 miles from the borders, which covers almost every major populated area in the US.

    It's actually worse than that because they're allowed to consider airports a border, which means every populated area.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    How would you go about disarming ICE?

    I am not talking about the politics, I am talking about the logistics, how do you prevent these thugs from simply refusing to give up their weapons and facilities?

    These are people who are loyal to Trump and his merry gang of dickheads, do you really think they will follow a presidential order by someone other than Trump?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It would be a federal organization disobeying direct orders, read them the insurrection act and send the national guard after them.

    Most of the ice employees are spineless cowards who just want a little taste of power over someone. I don't imagine many of them are going to risk a federal charge for the cause.

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