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[–] 159 points 3 months ago (62 children)

I don't really think it's the press's fault. I think America simply doesn't give a shit anymore. They seem to be completely inured to the crime, corruption, fascism, blatant lies, performative cruelty, election interference, embarrassment on the global stage, etc.

It's very peculiar.

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  • [–] 103 points 3 months ago (28 children)

    I’m sure it seems like that from the outside. There’s so many of us inside that are fully sick of this, but we also all feel helpless for a number of reasons.

    Nobody wants to be alone in making the first move of outward revolution.

    None of us can afford to take a week off, much less the foreseeable future off to plan and execute any kind of meaningful action.

    Once we lose our job from participating in said action, we don’t have healthcare anymore.

    We’ve got to be so far past the point of no return that the status quo can’t continue before most people will be able to do anything.

    Combine that with the press hiding most of this from the people, and people still wanting to hold out hope for…something…and you’re where we are at.

    I’m crossing my fingers that the midterms (or lack thereof) will be the turning point.

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  • [–] 53 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    I was reading about the French Revolution yesterday and the thing that really got things started was mass starvation. Something like 90% of French citizens were actively starving.

    There will need to be a singular suffering affecting 90+% of people before we'll all take to the streets and put heads on pikes. I'm guessing climate change might get us there.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Tbh with the sheer scale of America I doubt even mass starvation will work. The government could probably just keep the states immediately around the capitol sated and leave the rest of the country to die and most people won't be able to afford travel to the capitol to riot. I bring this up in every thread but to travel from the west coast to Maryland to start a riot is the same distance as traveling from Ireland to Moscow to riot. And we have barely functional trains.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Well there are local governments. The federal government can't exert it's control by itself.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I mean... it literally can. Only ~20 states have their own State Defense Force and the federal government can turn any state's national guard on its own people. The national guard has been actively leveraged to help ICE brutalize and disappear immigrants and American citizens already.

    Also if we were to consume Gavin Newsom, for example, that does not help us get a functional federal government back.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I mean. "The Hunger Games" is a real book and series that kind of thoroughly shows just how fucked the United States of America is.

    It even matches your point. They lavish food and gifts on the first two districts (District 1 producing luxery goods, and District 2 producing police/armed forces). Then tie the rest into fighting amongst themselves over measly leftovers.

    Still didn't last terribly long or peacefully, but multiple generations is still a gut punch.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think starving will stop his supporters as long as "the libs" are starving, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    We don’t need his supporters on our side. It would be nice, but once the rest of us are starving too there’s more of us.

    Hopefully though, we can finally get through to them that it’s the ~2000 billionaires or so actively waking up each morning and deciding not to end world hunger that are the actual issue.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I totally get your point,

    I’m crossing my fingers that the midterms (or lack thereof) will be the turning point.

    but a friendly reminder to everyone in that same position: hope is not a strategy. At least try to come up with a plan for when it get worse. Do not be naive; as long as it can get worse, it likely will be.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    No, you’re completely right. Hope is not enough. I’m also planning, but need to have hope that others outside my circle are too.

    It will get worse. In fact, it has to - or else the majority of people will just brush their hands and say “hey we fixed it, nice job” …kinda like Biden 2020.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    From the outside it looks like it’s similar to turning a big ship in a way. It’s just taking time for it to turn; meaning enough to get sick of it. It’s definitely wrong now to say nothings being done by people, you’ve only got to look at the videos people are taking of the migration police to see there’s resistance flowing through.

    This situation here is a clear abandonment of media responsibility. Journalists themselves, or their profession, will take the reputational fall for this and it won’t matter if that’s fair to them or not. The right kind of reporting on this would go a long way to driving resistance against it.

    Yeah I hope the midterms are somehow fair and held. It’s the best solution. I hope people turn out for them too if they are. The more that do, the harder it should be to rig or prevent voting at the polling booths.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The people don't pay the press. The oligarchs captured the press, and now when the press reports what concerns the people, the oligarchs punish them. Part of this started cos we stopped paying the press. This is why I have a couple of newspaper subscriptions. More people should, so we can pay the press to report what concerns us.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    Well I pay for good press, but it needs to be good for me to pay for it.

    I have a feeling that was happening with the press regardless of subscription, but you raise a point

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    "Well I pay for good press" <- does your use of the expression mean that you will only pay if you find good press, and are therefore not paying for press because you don't find it up to your standards?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t pay for it unless it’s up to my standards

    Like anything else I decide to pay for or subscribe to

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    We’ve had multiple people make the first move of outward revolution. They were ignored. So, you’re wrong, some people sacrifice in vain for a country that can’t even boycott a Walmart properly.

    What you really can’t fucking afford is sacrificing your children’s future with the excuse that you “can’t afford to stop fascism”. You’re WEAK. Or you just don’t care about it. The country is fat as fuck. There’s all the proof you need that we have the money for this. Eat ramen if you have to. Yes, I’m telling you to sacrifice a bit for the greater good. Yes, I’m telling you that’s the only way to fucking fix this.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You know what's even more weak? Typing this garbage onto an Internet forum through your phone while sitting on the couch eating a burger and believing that you're the one making a difference by being an asshole. I hope you're enjoying sitting around and jacking off to porn all day because you're sure as fuck not "sacrificing a bit for the greater good" if you have time to type the absolute drivel that I'm responding to. I'm sure you'll respond with some excuse as to why you're exempt but if you have the time to respond then YOU'RE weak and YOU'RE not doing enough.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Its not peculiar, its by design. Flood the people with so much "News" all the time that they stop paying attention. You can only keep up with so much before you just stop trying. Even those of us still paying attention have to take breaks or go mad.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think you mean buy up all the news outlets. Make them mouth pieces for the rich rather than focusing on facts. Discredit news as fake and watch people turn to their echo chambers to learn about anything and nothing at the same time. How many people including yourself do you knowtjay doesn't trust the news. Gotta be close to batting a thousand at this point no?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    I can’t do it anymore because the “press” are actually just fascist influencers and they are all lying. I don’t believe a single thing any journalist had to say. I don’t believe a single thing the government has to say. I’ll never respect the rapist president. I’ll never accept the heroin addict running the health department. Countries are ideas and this one is fucking dead.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (22 children)

    What the fuck is left for us to do. I’m surrounded by low iq inbred hillbillies that eat the shit they are fed right up. Vote? I did. Against this shit. Didint work. The cops will kill you. We don’t really have any options. It’s a disaster. The pedo is on control of everything. There is no checks and balances.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    You might be doing all you can but WE as the collective aren’t doing jack shit. I see our people going to Chick-fil-A like there’s no other food available. Buying cheap tshirts from Walmart or Amazon. Thinking walking in circles in scheduled areas is a protest.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Fair question. It's easy for me to make suggestions because I'm on the other side of the world. My day to day is tough and overlaying everything I already need to do with suggestions like "move to another country" is just insensitive to the point of being offensive. That said ...

    Plan to move to another country. It's possible or likely that you're unable to, but would would need to happen for you to be able to move in, say, 10 years time. What's the first step in that direction. It probably involves researching what skills you need to have to land jobs in other countries. There's a bunch of professions for which companies will arrange visas for skilled employees.

    Connect with your community. Be part of community groups, connect with people, know peoples names and make small talk when you bump into them. Get to know people in your street, do nice things for them, take the bins in for them. Et cetera. Fascism and other far-right nuttiness is thriving in todays world of isolated, lonely people. Strong communities are the antidote to the hatred and anger that supports fascism.

    Finally, vote and help others do so. Make a plan for what you need to do on the day. Assist others with their own plans.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Well good thing we have you to point that out for us. What a great and noble sacrifice you have made 🙄

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Again. Thank you for your service. The insults will deffo get the results that you desire.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I’m disabled and live 3000 miles away from the fuhrer but sure, I’M the one who is letting this happen. Mah bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    So now I’m in charge of a million people?! Should really let me know a little sooner next time and maybe I can actually do something about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, I certainly hope they do. Or did you already forget the part where I said I was disabled? It’s fine. It’s not like you’re the only one.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    No. You’re right. I’m definitely one of the bad ones.

    I’m sowwy 🥺

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    well, it's not like there's a whole lot of options. We have one party that's openly corrupt pedophiles. We have a second party that claims to want to bring them to justice, but in practice they oppose only progressives and support only genocide.

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