I thought about saying "you know it's a grift when they collect personal information and leak it." According to their Bible, you don't need an app to pray. They say church (or a covenant, I forget, it's been 30+ years since I read the KJV) is when any two people come together to talk about Jesus (sorry!). So, where does an app fit in? And why does that app need your personally identifiable information (referred to as PII in industry). Wouldn't an all-knowing God already have it?

But you don't have to know it's a grift... I feel like this is proof the Vatican (or whoever made this app on their behalf, and thus speak on their behalf... and the Pope allegedly speaks on God's behalf) themselves know it's a grift. Because why would they need your PII?

I know, fools and their money are soon parted... just saw this on /all and figured the Fediverse's top Atheism comm should have it.

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[–] 14 points 3 months ago (95 children)

Who could have known that a permanent, online, confession database would be so risky?!?

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    Or just don't indulge in deadly superstition. Churches are there to continue the grift. Wishful thinking can be a form of self-reflection, centering ourselves can help soothe unwanted emotional responses, but prayer is not magic. Thoughts and prayers only help the person who is thinking and praying. Action is required to produce measurable change in the world.

    And what are we confessing for? Being the way god made us? This guilt-based emotional manipulation is killing people.

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    For our sins. God gave us free will, but made us perfect.

    If the sin he created us to commit is perfect, why does he punish us for it? You are ignoring the blatant contradictions. Cancer is perfect? He made that, too, right?

    Please stop serving a literal death cult. Please stop defending rapists and pedophiles. Please stop glorifying violence.

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    Sin was introduced to humanity by the serpent when Adam and Eve ate the apple.

    ...all of which god created, knowing this would happen.

    ill need sources for the claims you made in the last paragraph

    You need look no further than the bible to confirm that all of christianity is a death cult, yahweh is a death god. Do you drink your savior's blood and eat his flesh? Do you know how fucked-up that is?

    Rapists and pedophiles: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6676731/

    Murderers and genociders: https://www.worldhistory.org/Crusades/

    All in the name of your god. Can you prove they are wrong and you are right? Everyone reasonable is still waiting for any proof of god's existence before claiming they believe in it.

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    They protect pedophiles until they cannot, if the evidence is overwhelming. How many are they still protecting today? How many were simply sent to other churches to harm more victims?

    Still happening this year, actively covering up abuse: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2026/01/27/catholic-abuse-powerful-utah/

    Also, there have been many scientifically proven miracles.

    Define "miracle". Name one that has been scientifically proven.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (43 children)

    But you never proved or defined "god".

    Anyway, even catholic scientists admit your example is not a miracle: https://drjulesgomes.substack.com/p/catholic-scientists-debunk-assertions

    Catholic scientists are now urging the faithful to be cautious about claims that eucharistic miracles have been scientifically proven, as unconsecrated hosts tested under similar conditions have also shown similar “bleeding” appearances.

    Peer-reviewed studies published by Catholic scientists who believe in Christ’s real presence in the Eucharist have also dismissed assertions that the miracles were validated by research carried out by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations (UN).

    Would you like to try another? Spoiler: they're all bullshit, magic isn't real. Please use your brain.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Interesting, I'd love to see the report. Ah, it's linked at the bottom of the article. Hmm, the link is unsafe, certificate expired two years ago. I proceeded with caution and saw... a 404 error.

    There is no evidence of this supposed miracle.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    That is a letter, not a report.

    I have not been able to find the report myself, but other scientists have commented on it, including catholic "scientists":

    DR. KELLY KEARSE, A CHEMIST SPECIALIZING IN BLOOD RESEARCH AND IMMUNOLOGY AND A TEACHER AT KNOXVILLE CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL, IS CALLING FOR THE USE OF MORE ACCURATE RESEARCH METHODS IN INVESTIGATING THE SHROUD OF TURIN AND OTHER RELIGIOUS PHENOMENA THOUGHT TO BE DIVINE.

    Dr. Kearse points out important natural explanations that were never addressed. Until those are ruled out as causes, it is premature to claim a miracle.

    It seems remarkable that all five test for the same, rare blood type. But there is a problem: the A and B antigens are not unique to humans. Since the 1960s, biologists have known that bacteria cells also have A and B antigens on their surfaces. Hence, if a sample is contaminated with bacteria, even if it contains no blood at all, it could still show a type AB blood result in this test.

    A “very low concentration of human DNA” is indicative of handling contamination. In forensic DNA tests, trace amounts of DNA from humans who touch a sample can be unintentionally amplified, and reports say the hosts were touched by several people.

    https://etcatholic.org/2025/01/exaggerations-and-eucharistic-miracles/

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Sokolka went through electron microscopy, and serratia tests.

    How do we know that?

    I found a Polish newspaper article suggesting the research was amateurishly performed and should have been more extensive. I used the auto-translate feature that my browser has, I can't guarantee accuracy.

    https://www.rp.pl/kosciol/art7471901-co-sie-naprawde-stalo-w-sokolce

    What kind of research did Professor Sulkowski perform? It's unclear exactly. He enigmatically replies that it fell within the scope of his specialty.

    However, he refuses to say how the nuclei were arranged in the fiber of the tissue he examined. "Such questions fall within the purview of the appropriate commission investigating the miracle," he says, cutting the conversation short.

    DNA testing would precisely indicate whether the tissue being examined is human or animal, and whether it's male or female. "We would determine with a high degree of probability what region of the world it comes from. We would dispel any doubts," assures Professor Śliwka.

    Prof. Chyczewski: – The Archbishop was not interested in conducting such research. I was told that since the material was believed to be of miraculous origin, there was no need to bother with it any further.

    Did he even publish his results? There should be images, evidence. So far we still just have claims.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Another polish article about this: https://naukawpolsce.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C367624%2Cuniwersytet-medyczny-odcina-sie-od-badan-ws-cudu-w-sokolce.html

    The Medical University of Białystok officially distances itself from the results of these studies and emphasizes that the university does not endorse them.

    One of the most valuable things about science is the consistent ability for anyone to repeat the experiment and get the same result. Why does the catholic church keep hiding from showing us that it is true?

    "We did not do this as a university," Chyczewski told PAP, adding that the tests were conducted illegally, "quietly," outside the official channels. They took place at the Academic Department of Pathomorphological Diagnostics. Chyczewski emphasizes that the university was not commissioned to perform these tests, and the study was not registered anywhere. "Please do not attribute the diagnosis to any specific department operating within the institution called the Medical University," Chyczewski wrote in his statement.

    Why didn't they collaborate with the university, if they have legitimate evidence?

    Professor Chyczewski believes that his colleagues who made the diagnosis made a "schoolboy error" by trying to combine theology and biology, which, in his opinion, is impossible.

    Because biology is evident and theology is not.

    Just a few weeks ago, when the news of the tests became public, Archbishop Ozorowski said: "We are dealing with an extremely subtle matter. If we confess that this is the body of Christ, we cannot just cut it into pieces and subject it to tests. We must exercise caution and a certain fear."

    Fear of your own savior? Fear of your "loving" god's punishment for proving his own existence? This same god who once loved when his own creations were eviscerated and cooked now is squeamish? Ohhhh, no, I get it, he's only offended when it's his OWN flesh that gets... Wait, what about Jesus, though? He was willing to make that sacrifice, but not this one?

    Please stop defending catholicism. It is a death cult. People are dying for your false beliefs.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (31 children)

    But without detailed reports? You just take them at their word?

    You believe god is all-powerful, yes? And you believe this is how he chooses to interact with us?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (29 children)

    How do you know? Everything you've shown so far is natural phenomena and humans making shit up.

    Why do you pretend there is a god?

    People are dying for your mistakes.

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    Why are you assuming it was created by someone? There is no evidence to suggest that.

    If god doesn't need a first cause, why does the universe?

    If the universe needs a first cause, why doesn't god?

    All you have is special pleading and god of the gaps.

    Those are fallacies, not evidence.

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    Because God and the universe are not equal.

    We have evidence for the universe. We have no evidence for god.

    They are of different natures entirely.

    Based on your arbitrary, inconsistent definition of "nature".

    I mean omnipotence IS hard to comprehend for us since we're human

    It's pretty easy: if an omnipotent being existed, they could do anything. They would need nothing. So if an omnipotent being exists, and suffering exists, it is because that omnipotent being wants that suffering to exist.

    It's not love. It's a death cult.

    You keep going backwards. You assert things about god and then you pretend there are reasons to believe it. If we go ground-up from what we can sense, no god ever enters the picture. There is no reason to assume his existence.

    How many genes must be different for two beings to have different natures? Or how is it defined, how is it measured? You're drawing lines arbitrarily and pretending to know things no person can know.

    Why did god write such a shitty book? Why are none of his miracles clearly documented? He must not be trying very hard to convince anyone that he is actually there. All evidence suggests that humans invented god.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    We do

    Stop telling deadly lies. There is absolutely no evidence for god. You have not provided any, you only have fallacies.

    Here is the definition.

    "The essence of a being considered as the principle of activity." So you and I have different natures.

    "Also the substance of a thing as distinguished from its properties, considered as the source of its operations." This is nonsense. Do you have an example?

    "In contrast with God, it is the created universe. In contrast to the life and operations of divine grace, it is that to which a human person has claim, as creature, as distinct from a share in God's own life, which is the supernatural."

    This makes no sense. Nothing is supernatural. How do you determine what the opposite of a nature is? What is the opposite of human nature, if we pretend that exists for a moment?

    It was written by humans, inspired by God.

    If you are pretending the bible was written by god, then why does it contain mistakes?

    If you are admitting that it was written by humans, why should we believe any of it?

    Show me the evidence.

    Humans wrote the bible. You even admitted that. But then you added the completey unproven and ridiculous claim that it was inspired by god.

    It contains blatant contradictions with itself and our reality. Example: what year was Jesus born?

    Do rabbits chew cud?

    Do you actually believe the world was made in 6-7 days? If so, in what order? Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1. Why did god write such an unbelievable book if we're supposed to believe it? He's not all powerful, clearly. Your bullshit about "humans can't understand omnipotence"... Humans can understand language. Humans can understand what we can sense. So why is god unable to communicate with no errors?

    Do you believe that I am going to hell for being honest, for having intellectual integrity? Your god is an abuser.

    You are defending a death cult.

    People are dying for you.

    Please. Think.

    Stop making bullshit excuses and start relying on the reality we share. Anything less makes you a murderer.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (21 children)

    He was 33 when he died and rose again, so 0 AD

    How do you know he was 33 when he died? How do you know he died in 33 AD?

    The book of Luke suggests that Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. We can use biblical clues to estimate that he started his ministry between 27-29 AD. By calculating historical passover dates and comparing with lunar motion, most scholars estimate that Jesus died in either 30 or 33 AD.

    However, the gospels offer different accounts of his birth year. Matthew associates Jesus's birth with the reign of Herod, who died in 4 BC. Luke associates Jesus's birth with the census of Quirinius, which took place ten years later.

    So if Matthew is correct, Jesus could not have been born later than 4 BC. If he died in 30 AD, he may have been 33, if his birthday was after his crucifixion. If he died in 33 AD, he would actually have been 36 or so.

    If Luke is correct, he would have been born no later than 6 AD, making him either 24 or 27 when he died.

    How do we know which is correct, and why did god allow contradictions like this? It casts doubt on the entire bible. All of it could be human error.

    No one goes to hell for being honest

    That's not what your theology says. According to the bible, god gave me this brain in this world, a brain that honestly concludes "humans invented god" based on everything I can possibly sense. Due to my non-belief, I will be punished in some vague yet terrible manner, depending on which parts of the bible you cherry pick. Maybe I'll be annihilated. Maybe I'll burn forever, maybe there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. All because I didn't want to lie, to pretend I sense a god when I do not.

    Can I havr the contradictions in Genesis?

    Have you glanced at chapters 1 and 2? They are not long. I was specifically referring to the order of creation; were plants created before humans as it says in chapter 1, or were humans created before plants as it says in chapter 2?

    Did god make animals before humans (chapter 1), or did he make animals as companions to Adam (chapter 2)?

    Those are some easy ones from the first two chapters. It gets worse when we consider the rest of the bible. In Genesis, god encourages humans to be fruitful and multiply. He says it to Adam and Eve, he says it to Noah, he says it to Jacob. But in Leviticus, god insists that women who give birth must also provide a sin offering. Does god command us to sin?

    And a day for God isnt a day for us. God is above time itself.

    Where does it say that? Why wouldn't god include these clarifications in the text at the time? We understand what a "year" is, he could have provided it in human time instead of god time. I would be very impressed if the bible gave a detailed account about natural events that formed our universe and world that modern science can verify. But instead we have a contradictory fairy tale about making existence in "eh whatever amount of time sounds believable to you".

    The question remains: why would an all-powerful being who loves us do such a poor job of convincing us of his existence?

    You have chosen to pretend that false things are true. I am unwilling to lie. Humans wrote the bible, and god seemingly did nothing to prevent errors from getting through. What sense does that make?

    Please continue to think critically about the contents of the bible and the flimsy excuses that come from outside of the bible.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    Being convinced has nothing to do with what I want to be true.

    We do not choose our beliefs.

    I aim to be as honest as possible: I believe what is most likely true given all available evidence.

    Stop killing kids.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    You have provided absolutely no evidence for any of your claims.

    Your cult is killing us all.

    Fuck you for choosing death instead of being honest.

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    You have not. You have one guy who says, with no evidence, that a miracle happened.

    You have provided no evidence of god, souls, free will, magic, etc. You have rejected evidence that your claims may not be true.

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    I want to be convinced of whatever is true. That is why I rely on evidence and reason. As humans, that is all we have. Divine revelation is, evidently, a dangerous myth.

    You want to be convinced that god is real because you've already bought the lie. You work backwards, distorting evidence of our real world and inventing fiction, treating your assumptions like facts so you can pretend your false beliefs are just as good as real ones.

    Stop lying. All life is at stake.

    Fuck you for choosing death.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Dead wrong.

    Again. And really think about it this time:

    HONEST PEOPLE DO NOT CHOOSE THEIR BELIEFS.

    We believe what is most likely true whether it is what we want or not. We do not decide truth. We attempt to describe it as accurately as possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    All of chapter 12. I was specifically thinking of verses 6-7:

    6 “‘When the days of her purification are completed for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring to the priest at the door of the Tent of Meeting, a year old lamb for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon or a turtledove, for a sin offering. 7 He shall offer it before Yahweh, and make atonement for her; then she shall be cleansed from the fountain of her blood.

    What sin did she commit? The lord told her to bear children, why would he make any part of that process sinful?

    But it's also worth noting the blatant sexism of verse 5 compared to verse 1, where bearing a female child makes a woman "unclean" for twice as long.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    What sin could a baby possibly commit?

    Why does god command us to have children if it brings more sin and suffering into the world?

    Why does god give children cancer?

    What sense does it make to punish the children of someone who did something wrong?

    Your baby-killing god is fucking sick. We're all lucky he's not real. Now please stop spreading deadly lies.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    and just because we cant understand his plan doesnt mean its bad

    Needless suffering is bad. Grow up. Stop letting apologists think for you. You think backwards and it's killing us all.

    Fuck you for choosing death.

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    We dont have a year-for-year 100% accurate account of ancient history.

    Because all-powerful god failed to convey a simple timeline?

    Relying only on your physical senses?

    That is our only means of acquiring data, yes.

    God gave you free will and your rational soul along with your intellect.

    No, he didn't. We evolved what we call consciousness over many generations. There is no evidence of god, free will, or souls.

    God did not make you disbelieve.

    If you believe he made my brain and this world, yes yes he did.

    You know you can plan things right? God intended for animals to be companions to us and then created them, then us.

    That's not what the bible says. Why is the bible wrong?

    Maybe the ancient Hebrews used a different way of calculating time than we do? And God performs a lot of miracles when he sees fit.

    Or maybe it's all bullshit and you are an intellectual and moral coward. Why couldn't god make it more clear if he meant what you interpret him to mean? How do you know your interpretation is correct when other common interpretations contradict yours?

    Kids are dying for your false beliefs. More each day.

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    No, because historians arent God

    Nor did I say that, dipshit. Focus.

    If god is all-powerful, why couldn't he convey simple facts clearly through the bible he supposedly influenced? Why does it contradict itself and our reality at all?

    It isn't

    Saying things doesn't make them true. Even if you are correct (which you are not), you have done nothing to demonstrate that.

    He did

    Saying things doesn't make them true. That's all the bible is, by the way. People saying things.

    Genesis 2:19 Therefore, the Lord God, having formed from the soil all the animals of the earth and all the flying creatures of the air, brought them to Adam, in order to see what he would call them. For whatever Adam would call any living creature, that would be its name.

    You skipped the contradiction. Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about whether animals or humans were created first.

    Also, the idea that animals were created for us to eat and exploit is deeply fucked. STOP DEFENDING ABUSE.

    How do you know your interpretation of the Earth itself is correct when the flat earth theory exists?

    Evidence. Have you never ridden on an airplane or used a telescope? Are you seriously comparing your own beliefs to the flat earth theory? This is suicidal stupidity, and you're taking us down with you. Do better.

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    Even if you believe in free will, god deliberately created the circumstances to trap humans. How the fuck does an omniscient being leave the room exactly long enough for his creations to incriminate themselves? Why no fence around the tree? Why make a tree like that at all? How were humans supposed to know good and evil without knowledge of good and evil? How do you know the snake is satan, why does god let satan harm people he supposedly cares about?

    It's the stupidest fucking shit imaginable. Think critically, please.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (35 children)

    We have no evidence for the existence of god or free will. Please stop repeating baseless claims. People are dying for your selfish bullshit.

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    Why are you assuming they were designed at all? We evolved our brains and emotions this way because each child born is unique, different from both parents. Some of these changes enable longer lives, reproduction, more children. Those that don't survive long enough to reproduce, their genes and behaviors do not get passed down. We were not designed to fit this world, and we are still evolving.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    So your god intentionally designed a “system” that gives unborn babies brain cancer such that their lives are nothing but a few moments of misery…. and you want us to worship it?

    Or that god is an intelligent designer, who just happens to forget how women worked, and gave a law that required stoning 60% percent of women because that’s the number of women that don’t actually bleed the first time they have sex.

    In reality, this is just you failing to understand the theory of evolution. We’re not finely tuned. We’re not perfect systems. We’re a mess of mostly random bullshit that functions solely on account of a long line of organisms being a little better at some things than others.

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    Stop stealing credit for natural processes, shitbag.

    Evolution is God's way of creating us, and we are still evolving, yes, but the process of evolution wad created by God.

    He designed us to get sick and die young despite doing nothing wrong? He designed the bad mutations because he loves it when we suffer?

    Fuck you, death cultist. You are defending the indefensible.

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    Imagine a series of gears. One of them has to start spinning to start up the entire series. The gears cannot suddenly start spinning from nothing.

    False equivalence. The universe is not a series of gears, we do not understand it well enough to reduce it to such a rudimentary example.

    God is neither weak nor cruel. Just because we may not understand his plan for his does not make either true.

    He is both weak and cruel, according to the bible. Thwarted by chariots of iron. Regularly uses violence to solve problems of his own making, commands his followers to take young sex slaves after killing their families.

    So you have no explanation for children's cancer wards, yet you insist on worshipping the god you think is responsible for them. That's really sick.

    What do you mean "no"? You didn't bring forth an argument at all?

    You keep making claims without evidence. There's nothing for me to disprove. I'm trying to help you understand so you stop spreading deadly bullshit.

    You said:

    to claim that God does not exist is to claim that what has need of all has need of nothing.

    What need? This led us to the gears, a bad analogy to support your special pleading fallacy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (14 children)

    Causality can be interpreted as a series of gears. > > One thing is caused by the other.

    If you say so. But that would include god, in that case.

    Verses?

    The honest answer: we don't know. Probably not god, certainly not the christian god.

    If the sun disappeared, you would die, thus you depend on the sun.

    This is extremely reductive and unimaginative. What if we find a way to replace the light, warmth, vitamins etc we get from the sun? Heck, maybe we could even make a version that doesn't give us cancer, one-upping your fictional god.

    If all the arachnids and the sort died, the ecosystem would be rattled and we'd all die. We depend on other things to live. That is my evidence for this claim, as we can observe.

    This says nothing about the origins of the universe. It wasn't made for us, we evolved to survive.

    And to deny God's existence is to claim that what requires all (the universe, it depends on a lot of factors to survive) requires nothing (Does not require God to exist).

    No. Atheists are not making a claim. You are making a claim that god exists based on nothing but wishful thinking and a poor understanding of science. We deny that claim because there is no evidence to support it.

    This is a logical contradiction.

    All you have is god of the gaps and special pleading. You have failed to convince me or anyone else with integrity that your god exists.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Absolutely. You identify the process of evolution based on evidence (well done, some theists can't even manage that), and then you attribute it to a creator despite there being no reason to make that jump.

    Faith is weakness, an assumption made in the absence of fact and stubbornly held despite what any evidence might suggest.

    You worship the god of the gaps. "We don't know, so it's probably god." But it's probably not. "We don't know" means it could be anything. The odds of your baseless guess being correct are virtually zero.

    Meanwhile, real people are being harmed as a result of your beliefs.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Scientifically speaking, we have no evidence suggesting the existence of a god. How do you even define "god"? It is human wishful thinking every time.

    If there was sufficient evidence, I would still be a believer. But when I am as honest as I can be, I see nothing at all in this universe to suggest a god's existence, much less the christian god, who is described in contradictory ways because biblical authors were not consistent with themselves or with each other. Loving + powerful = no need for suffering. God is unimaginative. Stupid. Cruel. Non-existent.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    The gears extending infinitely would be a Reductio Ad Absurdum, so one gear must be the start of it all

    So god also requires a cause. The only alternative is special pleading.

    Definitely not within your lifespan, and definitely not fast enough if the sun actually disappeared.

    Why did god choose to make a sun that gives us cancer?

    I am making a claim by saying "X isnt real"

    Atheists are "making the claim" that we don't believe your claim, because there is no argument, evidence, or reason supporting your claim. You not only assume there is a god, you then assume to understand why he created suffering, even though you have not been able to explain it. He cannot be both powerful and loving, if he existed at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, he doesn't. He is of a different nature.

    Special pleading.

    Why do you think its ok to eat chicken but not human flesh? Because we of a different nature than chickens.

    Because a society that tolerates needless cannibalism is unsustainable. And because prions. But also, I don't think it's okay to eat chicken.

    Thus, God is also of a different nature than us.

    Special pleading. Aren't we each of a "different nature", as individuals? Define "nature".

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Its not special pleading if its ACTUALLY special.

    But it's not actually special, evidently. Evidently, it does not exist, and special pleading is your excuse for believing it.

    We are not of a different nature. For man has the nature of man, and a pig the nature of a pig.

    I have the nature of me, you have the nature of you. It's arbitrary, meaningless.

    1. the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something

    Example: helping them to realize the nature of their problems

    You haven't answered anything. I can just say the nature of the universe is the universe. The nature of god is that he does not exist.

    Try getting more specific.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    But it is special pleading. Why can't the universe itself be like that, no god needed?

    Can you even define "god"?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    what has need of all has need of nothing

    What need are you talking about?

    You still haven't answered how god solves this problem yet we can't apply the same logic to existence itself. You are still using special pleading to assume a conclusion that is not supported by any evidence.

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    I described the need. Please read the comments I made above.

    Are you talking about the gears analogy? Again, it's a false equivalence. Wouldn't god just be another gear, also in need of something to start it turning?

    And it is because that God is of a different nature than of his creation.

    Ah. Special pleading. You see that's exactly what it is, don't you?

    The universe doesn't need a god, based on everything we know so far. You need a god because you are scared and selfish. You would rather outsource your thinking and morality no matter how many people it kills.

    Fuck you for choosing death.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Let's imagine I were to tell my kids that there was a forbidden food in the house, and one of them decided to eat it. Would I be a good parent if I tortured them because of it? And not just the one that ate it, every single one of my children will now burn and suffer because one of them disobeyed me. But, wait, it's not over and done with yet, because they will ALL suffer through that experience all day, every day, forever. Just 24 hours a day of being branded with hot irons while hanging above hot coals.

    Of course I won't be the one doing the torturing, I'm such a good guy after all. I have an arrangement with a guy who's into that sort of stuff. I just drive the kids over to his place and drop them off. Hopefully they've learned their lesson, but I don't fucking know, they're dead to me now.

    If I were to do any of that, would I be considered a loving father? Would people see that as a good, kind action that deserves to be emulated? Should this practice replace the current standards of great parenting?

    Or would they call me an evil sadistic monster?

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