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[โ€“] 40 points 3 months ago (25 children)

Hard disagree. The amount of money and energy that has gone into manipulation and corporate lobbying has ensured that most people are brainwashed without ever knowing it. It's NOT the people's fault, it's the ultra weathy

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't disagree with that sentiment, but I would assert the people still have the ability to stop the untra-wealthy, and the idea we're helpless bystanders only serves the ultra-wealthy

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago

    I remember reading a book as a kid that was set in the 1800's, and there was a kid who got an apple for his birthday and was so happy because it was the most delicious thing he'd ever eaten. I remember thinking at the time that I was lucky to have candy and other modern treats.

    Now I think all those flashy products are part of the problem, and I instead try to view fruit as being a special treat I'm fortunate to be able to enjoy, like the boy from the book. There are still plenty of unethical things surrounding fruit of course, but at least I'm consuming less manufactured corporate crap.

    We can't combat capitalism itself just by making changes to our habits, since the vast majority of people will still keep on consuming without a care, but we can at least distance ourselves from it by choosing less manufactured things. That way it should be easier to wean ourselves off of all the various products we're accustomed to having that will go away if we ever do manage to combat capitalism.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 months ago (18 children)
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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    you are dismissing talk of holding actual problems accountable, to focus on inconsequential individual accountability, specifically using the โ€œbut you have are using an iphone, i am very smartโ€ argument to not actually have to argue a point. you have been consistently dishonest in your messaging and it shows.

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    because our buying habits are shaped by necessity and availability. to argue that the individual needs to change would require agreement to the degree of millions of people all at once, who have the privilege of choice make a substantial change, and even then the systems in place would defend itself from this change. in a discussion about needing to hold corporations and systems accountable, you argue for the responsibility of the individual, a concept that uses the most effort for the smallest gain, if any.

    the concept of the free market is and has always been bull shit. the free market ideology requires the consumer to have: 1. maximal choice, 2. maximal and complete knowlege of every facet of a product (a. itโ€™s ecological cost, b. itโ€™s social cost, c. itโ€™s manufacture, d. itโ€™s transport, e. its storage, f. itโ€™s operational harm ect. ) and every facet of every other option to compare. as well as truth in marketing which is antithetical to marketing itself.

    in a discussion about the need to hold the system accountable, attempting to narrow it to the individual is a distraction to progress

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    So what then? You are here, clearly you are participating as well. There is no ethical consumption here. I doubt the rocks you're throwing are thrown from somewhere safe when they inevitably get thrown back.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The point is that it's your choice where to make sacrifices for the causes you believe in. Everybody already knows that fossil fuels cause pollution, this is not some big secret. People don't just get to hide behind "brainwashing" as a defense.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah I think everyone gets that, but what then? We can acknowledge that the path of least resistance is destructive, while also acknowledging that some folks will be on that path through no fault of their own, and the rest of us are heavily incentivized to follow that path. It's far more efficient to try and fix the system routing the paths, than to individually change everyone's behavior en masse.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 3 months ago

    To clarify, I'm all for fossil fuel regulation. The fossil fuel industry is different from most in that it has huge externalities, and those can only be controlled via regulation (as explained by Tragedy of the Commons). However, what I'm saying is that personal responsibility is still important. In fact, in a democracy it's basically all that matters. Whether you vote for public policy or you vote with your wallet, both have the power to affect change.

    Changing the system and rerouting the paths and forcing everybody to follow, sounds nice in theory. And in this case I do agree that some regulation is necessary. However changing the system can end up enormously good and also enormously bad. It has both incredible power and risk. The problem is that nobody agrees on how to change it. Every few years the group in power changes, and reverses the policies created by the opposing group. I am not confident that this is as efficient as you say it is.

    What I don't like about resorting to regulation, is that it's all or nothing. The policy passes or it doesn't. The free market is much more flexible. If 20% of people vote with their wallet, that wouldn't have been enough to get a policy to pass, but it sure is enough to get an industry to re-think their strategy and try to re-capture that 20%.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    You want the people fight for the better. That's I think noble. But at the same time you argue against that the enemy is the government, and you put the blame on ordinary people instead. So you want people to fight themselves. I want people to fight the government. Law is the solution for many of these issues. E.g.: It's not big pollution vs small pollution, I'd like NO pollution.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 3 months ago

    Battery was produced in South Korea. Can you substantiate your claim South Korea is employing slave and child labor? Ensure you have a source substantiating both

    I find child labor unlikely, but plausible, but slave labor in South Korean battery factories? I doubt it

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    this idea of "brainwashing" is a convenient way to dodge personal responsibility. Next time I think about returning the shopping cart I'll remember I'm "brainwashed" and leave it in the middle of the parking lot. I guess the US people who voted for Trump, are blameless because propaganda exists. I guess the people who use AI tools to write code or make art, are blameless because advertising exists.

    We're on lemmy right now because we chose to be on it. It doesn't take an ultra wealthy person to do that.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not wasting any more energy on you. Have fun being cynical

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