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f-droid has my condolences (media.piefed.ca)
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Pay the $25 ransom little devs or else!

Contributor who has been enriching android for 7 years: How do I keep developing for android privately? Google: That's the neat part, you don't.
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[–] 114 points 4 months ago (36 children)

Linux phone time

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Speaking of, the first waves of the new Jolla phone (with sailfish os) are apparently coming out now. I haven"t seen any posts about it on Lemmy yet, just an unboxing vid on YouTube

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Sailfish has been around since 2013. Hopefully the hardware is good 🤞

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    1st version hardware was decent enough and I had really high hopes for the company. And then they went and messed up royally with the tablet-kickstarter. I hope they really can push to the market this time, but I'm not the first to buy their device again.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Darn even the fin is critical of them.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I don't know how many, if any at all, are still on board from the original company but I really had high hopes for them. I used N810, N900 and N9 from Nokia. That OS (maemo/meego) then eventually matured to Sailfish some time after Nokia was already either down or going that way. I really liked the first Jolla phone, it had something in it which none of the android slabs I've then had doesn't. They had at least some kind of market share, promising applications coming up and, at least in my opinion, at that time, very real chance to challenge Android/iOS on the market.

    And then they blew it all with a massively oversized kickstarter for their size. I haven't followed too closely what actually happened, or could that been avoided, but that blunder meant that I haven't really followed Sailfish or Jolla since. I really hope they succeed, the market needs desperately at least one more player to challenge walled gardens we currently have, but previous experience says that I'm not going to throw my own hard earned money on them until they show they can actually stay on track.

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  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I really don't mean to start any more in-fighting on "this side", but is it really worth it to wait for something "better" to appear? I admit I don't know much about that russia thing, but this latest Jolla phone is selling out all the pre-orders, there is lots of momentum going on, it seems that we might finally have a viable option that isn't american big tech. So is it worth it to let this thing go, while letting the cancer cells grow even bigger?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    It's worth noting that the current Jolla is whatever the original founders could get back through the Finnish courts after their investors from Russia stopped communicating.

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  • [–] 60 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (24 children)

    I really want Linux phones to catch on, but even watching demos, while they are making progress, it seems like they are still very far behind.

    A phone for me (and many others) is more a lifestyle utility than a tech gadget, so reliability and compatibility is paramount. Things need to just work the first time every time for me to trust relying on it for important things.

    I still follow the development of some projects and contribute when I can, but it doesn’t look like it’ll be a realistic option (for my use case at least) any time soon.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Friend had a fairphone (no google version) worked well, with like a quirk or so. Sounds quite close to a really good phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Fairphone uses stock Android, or /e/os, which is degoogled Android.

    Fairphone 5 and 4 have support for SailfishOS, which is Linux. Some closed parts, but nothing from Google.

    I have FP6, will try Sailfish when available.

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  • [+] -48 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Banking on smart phones is safer than banking on Windows, and far safer than banking on Linux. -That's probably never going to change, and because of 'privacy concerns', it will be as bad on the phone or worse than desktop Linux.

    Open apps like Open Street Map absolutely suck. I've tried helping them out, but they made it so complicated to contribute to naming locations.

    There are some FOSS apps for phone I'm fond of, but I wouldn't consider using a slap-stick repo like F-Droid especially for such volatile software that gets abandoned and forked regularly.

    With all that said, there are some people claiming daily driving lately and it seems like they fixed issues of the past, but some issues aren't likely to get fixed. -Ever. (due to fundamental issues with copy left GPL and the cult around it)

    If only the clamoring happened around BSD instead.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Can you elaborate on how banking is “safer” on smart phones than Windows and Linux?

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  • [+] -18 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Apps are more locked down than a browser that does everything. 2 factor authentication automatically. There's more but you should learn to use a search engine especially if you use Linux.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    you've misunderstood the research and shouldn't be admonishing people for not using a search engine when clearly you didn't. an app is more secure than a mobile browser, but neither are more secure than a workstation browser. you are spreading misinformation when you pronounce stuff like this that you clearly didn't put the work in to understand

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  • [+] -14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Loonix propaganda. -It's like getting all your information from a conspiracy theorist site. -It's why Linux evangelists are called conspiracy theorists.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    i haven't said shit about linux, and you will even note i said my company's official position is to recommend proprietary software like chrome. i'm saying to use a desktop, not a phone, regardless of phone os and desktop os.

    you're just saying stuff at this point and if you keep it up i'll be blocking you because none of what you're saying has anything to do with what i'm saying

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Banking on smart phones is safer than banking on Windows, and far safer than banking on Linux

    this is patently false. smartphones leak all sorts of data about you on a network that desktop computers, regardless of OS, simply don't, especially if you use a hardened web browser like arkenfox, phoenix, or librewolf

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  • [+] -18 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Your research: "Linux subs and communities". You LiGNUts should stay out of tech conversations because all you know is propaganda. "All Eyes on Code" finally died. -the rest needs to too.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    what are you saying right now? you're not making sense. i work in securing networks for children's data though. and there's nothing we can do to get the kids' data safe if they access our systems on our phones so we recommend chrome on a desktop computer because we presume they won't have the technical knowledge to harden a browser and chrome is set up, by default, a little more securely (though not as privately) as firefox

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  • [+] -12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    You didn't try a search engine did you? -Why didn't they test you for that before hiring you?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    first result, specific to banking, i got from a forensic expert:

    Randal Wolverton, a certified public accountant who serves on the American Institute of CPAs’ Forensic and Litigation Services fraud task force: “My preference is to bank with computers in a secure environment, as thieves may find smartphones more attractive to attack,” he says.

    Since smartphones travel with you, they give fraudsters unique opportunities. If a customer is standing in line at a grocery store and decides to check her bank balance on her phone, someone could be looking over her shoulder and guess the password. That kind of situation is unlikely to arise when banking on a computer at home, Wolverton says.

    this is pretty in alignment with our forensic research for network hardening when it comes to kid data, too. a phone is just a snitch that lives in your pocket. the less you do from it, the more secure you'll be. you should really only be doing critical things, like banking and logging into your labor or educational institution, from trusted hardware on a trusted network. phones are fine for looking up business hours, interesting tidbits, and the like, but you shouldn't do anything you specific that matters to your life if you can help it.

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  • [+] -10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Lol, pick out why tiny possible scenario where it's clearly user fault, and ignore the mountain of other issues with full blown browsers. Browsers don't even safely save passwords by default in Linux. -They're stored as plain text files.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    NEVER SAVE YOUR PASSWORD IN BROWSER REGARDLESS!! holy shit!! it's like you actively seek bad behavior patterns to prove your point. you should disable saving passwords as one of the first things you do when you install a browser, regardless of OS. i recommend using keepass for users who really care about privacy and security and 1password for users who can't be arsed to learn this stuff

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago

    Conspiracy theorist crap that most people aren't using or need. -But it does go back to what I said about apps on smart phones being safer huh? -I am addressing the normies you LiGNUts try to recruit, and not the paranoid hacks that Linux users are.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Open Street Map absolutely suck

    You have upset a lot of people. OSM is an awesome alternative to Google Maps, it's basically the Wikipedia equivalent for mapping where everyone can help contribute by adding locations and such. Particularly for densely populated areas, I find it to be very accurate, and there's even support for public transit!

    I wouldn’t consider using a slap-stick repo like F-Droid

    You have somehow upset even more people. F-Droid has soooo many good open-source apps that are stable and they usually work far better (and look nicer for the most part) compared to proprietary options. CoMaps is a good client for OSM and arguably has a nicer interface than GMaps, and you can install maps offline which is super convenient! Kvaesitso is a nice search-based custom launcher that is much better than the stock one for my purposes, and Lawnchair is another good option if you want something closer to vanilla Android. More great FOSS apps:

    • Breezy Weather
    • Etar (calendar)
    • Auxio (local music player)
    • Aegis (2FA codes)
    • Chrono (clock)
    • FluffyChat (Matrix client)
    • HeliBoard (keyboard, the BEST ONE! even has accurate suggestions and glide typing!)
    • various self-hosted bits (Nextcloud, Immich, etc.)
    • KDE Connect and LocalSend (AirDrop+ that is cross-platform, the former is preinstalled on KDE Plasma)

    And games on F-Droid are a bit more lacking, but here are some nice ones I found:

    • Simon Tatham's Puzzles (all the puzzles you could want, quite fun!)
    • Breakout 71 (fun game that is quite neat)
    • Retroarch (emulation, my device can play up to PS2/GC and Wii, but higher end models can even do Switch!)

    Plus, you don't have to use the F-Droid repos. You can use third-party repositories like IzzyOnDroid or similar with the F-Droid client!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    OSM performance really depends on your location. In my entire country, there's like TWO people (not me) contributing 99% of data. As you can imagine, there's no real time info and lots of stuff lacking.

    Public transport is also very dependent on location, both countries I've lived in recently didn't have integration.

    Edit: I love that somebody downvoted me for stating objective verifiable facts. Dude, get a life.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Hence why I specified OSM being better in densely populated regions! It is a good point that, depending where you live, OSM could be a pretty inaccurate mapping tool. If you want, you could help contribute to OSM for your region! (There's a few apps available that gameifies it if you're into that)

    In Hong Kong, where I grew up in, everything is well mapped and all the MTR stations are labeled. And during my short trip to Germany, I was able to find a relatively obscure restaurant in Munich.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Doesn't mean it still sucks. I want it to be better and use it occasionally and try to help. It still sucks needs a long way to improve and realistically probably never well.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I got a new phone recently and I was so close to getting a Linux phone, but I chickened out. It seems damn close to being there, but just not reliable enough for me yet. I need a phone that works essentially all the time without question for everything I need. I can accept worse UX, as long as it works.

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