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Valve releases drivers, notes to make Windows work on Steam hardware, but refuses to support it - doesn’t offer support for ‘Windows on Steam Hardware,’ gaming company provides resources ‘as is’ (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 81 points 4 months ago* (111 children)

If I see someone installing windows on a steam machine, I’m losing it.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (46 children)

    Of the top 10 best selling games of all time, 9 of them run perfectly fine on Linux and the one that doesn't, requires you installing a rootkit, which only windows is stupid enough to allow.

    so I'm not sure what your talking about?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Sounds like Valve is catering to its veterans rather than uh younger generations. Aren't those games notorious for cheats anyway, despite kernel level anti-cheat?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    They sold out man. Less niche please.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Only 4 times? That's within an order of magnitude. Maybe steam is onto something.

    Maybe valve's solution to the Anticheat problem is to increase the number of Linux gamers, thus increasing the voices asking publishers to support running their games on the steam deck.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Of the top 10 games currently on Steam, 9 of them run perfectly fine on Linux, and the tenth is Apex.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Fortnite is the only one of those with a higher player count than CS:GO, though admittedly PUBG would slip in around the middle. The rest aren't particularly popular games, maybe you should have named League of Legends instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Fortnite doesn't even have 15 million weekly players, and that site is a live player count, not daily. I think you're in a bit over you're head if you're this bad at reading statistics.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    The daily peak is the largest number of concurrent players you dummy, not how many played over the entire day. And there are plenty of ways to get live player counts, it requires you connect to a server to play.

    You don't have bad news for me, you can't even read stats never mind find them.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    You query the server, genius. Genuinely worrying you're this tech illiterate.

    Anyway, what was your bad news, or could you not find any?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Most of those games have the majority of their player base on console, not on PC. Obviously people still play them on PC, but, the fact that they’re “the most played” ignores the breakdown of where they are played and how big of an audience will be swayed by their exclusion.

    LOL not allowing Linux is probably a much bigger issue over all given that it’s player base is PC dominated and it’s still a huge presence.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (12 children)

    I've played warzone, battlefield, and apex on Linux in the past. I don't anymore because I don't find them fun, but they definitely worked fine. These days I mostly play Overwatch and Marvel Rivals, which are also some very popular online shooters, and they work as well on Linux. Kinda weird to be making claims like that in such absolutes.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I promise you, you don't know what you're talking about, but you're dug in because any amount of nuance threatens your stance of "Linux bad because no play popular games, grr"

    So this conversation isn't going to go anywhere. Feel free to continue, but it's already effectively over. Nothing I say will change what you think because you're entrenched, and nothing you say will change what I think because it won't be based in reality or reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Idk what specific game they are talking about, but usually, when the game runs through proton, said rootkit cannot work as intended due to containerization or whatever (sorry, my knowledge of the intricacies of Linux/proton is pretty poor) so it's either not doing its job properly because it can't really detect stuff like DMA, or the devs just prevent Linux users from playing to make their job easier.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Proton? (And games that don't work with Proton are usually bad and their players wouldn't buy an Steam Machine)

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You maybe could have gotten a much better system for a similar price a year or two ago but I’m not sure you could at today’s prices. Especially if you price out a small form factor one. I wouldn’t be surprised if the original price of steam machine was in the 6-700 range before the current ram/storage/gpu crisis

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You can get a sff machine with a dedicated gpu and better processor though

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GLDVNNFG

    One example that has a much better processor and gpu and smaller form factor too. Plus you can upgrade it so its not a giant paper weight.

    https://www.microcenter.com/product/708800/G533_Gaming_PC;_AMD_Ryzen_5_7500X3D_40GHz_Processor;_AMD_Radeon_RX_9060_XT_16GB_GDDR6;_16GB_DDR5-6000_RAM;_1TB_Solid_State_Drive;_Microsoft_Windows_11

    Way better but limited to microcenter.

    Many DIY options too

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/i-configured-four-small-pcs-to-beat-the-steam-machine-at-its-own-game

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Those first 2 you posted are roughly 10x the volume of the steam machine, which is one of the big draws for me

    16.6" x 10.2" x 14.4" = 40 L

    8.5" x 15.75" x 16.50” = 36L

    vs

    6.1 x 6.0 x 6.4 = 3.7 L

    And even the DIY page the cheapest config they came up with is $920. I think Valve pretty much cannot sell their machine less than comparable PC, because if they did, people would just start buying them as general purpose small PCs, so they need to make at least a small profit on them, unlike the dedicated console makers who can take a loss on the machines since the only way to get software on them is through them

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    the only way

    Look at this guy who never heard of Proton gaming

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    We're sorry that youve only had experience with games that run micro transactions and brain rot. You could try better games and don't just fall in with the 16 year olds playing cod 74. Unless you are 16...

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Did I miss proton getting kernel level anti-cheat?

    Let me get this straight, you want to install windows on steam machine to install malware on it? Windows users have really weird kinks.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    It isn't malware by design, but too much power and corruption and even the idea someone could access it from something like this is bizarre. Why you're defending it, I don't know.

    Look at flock cameras. The idea to find a missing child or someone in trouble instantly is great, until police start using access to stalk women and their exes.

    Monroe County, Florida: Deputy Lamar Roman used an ALPR system to track and pull over a woman he met while working security on a TV set.

    Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Former Officer Josue Ayala was criminally charged and resigned after he illegally tracked his ex-girlfriend and her new partner's vehicles nearly 180 times. Another Milwaukee officer, Detective Chapman, was also criminally charged for using the Flock system to track a woman and placing a GPS device on her vehicle.

    Software having kernel-level (Ring 0) access presents significant security and privacy risks, as it bypasses the operating system's built-in memory isolation. This level of access grants applications unfettered control over the system, meaning any vulnerability can be exploited to compromise credentials, hijack hardware, or cause system-wide crashes.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    GTA Online? Call of Duty? Warzone? Battlefield 6? Fortnite? Apex? PUBG?

    Ironically, those are all games that I did not want to play when using windows either.

    Every new game that came out in 2026 that I actually wanted to play does work on Linux with Proton.

    The age of Windows is a PC gaming monopoly is definately coming to an end.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    This hasn't been true for years

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Very thankfully, none of them do! Are there any good games by non-shit publishers you simp for?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Sure man I'm really missing out. I totally don't enjoy telling people I cannot run Fortnite when they ask me. I totally want to play that bloated garbage which is overrun by toddlers saying the N word. That would be the dream... if only I could find an OS where I can do that, and also get my machine wrecked weekly with insane AI updates and new default shit that I hate. All while randomly rebooting my computer without asking permission. A boy can dream!!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Cry about it corporate cocksucker lol

    "My piece of shit cobbled together mess of an OS, puked from the bungholes of generations of short term employees, definitely kicks fucking ass. Why? Because I can play the shittiest overrated games with racist children! Who gives a shit if a corporation literally demands root access to my fucking kernel because they suck at programming? Only cOpEs would care about that!!!1"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    I did it edit: on my Steam Deck for a few months to play gamepass games direct on hardware. If it’s any consultation, I used windows 10 IOT and eventually switched back to SteamOS.

    It works, but windows is so clunky for actual gaming right now.

    It wasn’t terrible but it was NOT good. It was useable and I got through a couple of smaller gamepass games.

    I wouldn’t recommend it unless a lot has changed for windows portable gaming since 2024.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Almost all of these games are dogshit. As for the rest, want kernel access because you're a shitty corporation? Fuck off. I'll opt for security rather than bend over for a corporation to do what the fuck ever. I find it entertaining you came on Lemmy to fight this fight lol

    Everyone here (99% probably) hates fucking windows. For excellent reasons. Cry about it and tout your shit games all you want, windows will still be shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    so I really don’t care

    Pretty simple then, leave, you aren't welcome here.

    Last two sentences are deranged.

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