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Valve releases drivers, notes to make Windows work on Steam hardware, but refuses to support it - doesn’t offer support for ‘Windows on Steam Hardware,’ gaming company provides resources ‘as is’ (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 134 points 4 months ago (26 children)

Per the article:

But because many anti-cheat apps still aren’t compatible with Linux (hence, SteamOS), installing Windows on Steam hardware is currently the only way that gamers can enjoy titles that require them.

So it looks like Valve is at least giving tools for running Windows on their hardware for those that really really want that kernel level malware, I mean anti-cheat, to play a certain game.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I was talking to a couple of people about my positive experience faming on Linux since I switched recently, and one of them seemed really interested since he hates Windows.

    The other guy mentioned “But some games still don’t work. Certain multiplayer games have kernel-level anti-cheat that doesn’t work on linux.” and I saw the first guy visibly lose interest even though I would have bet money he was going to actually try linux before. So I asked him “Do you play competitive multiplayer games?” “No, not really.”

    The fact that linux can’t run every game is apparently a turn-off for some people, even if they aren’t games they want to play.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    The thing is that people don't want to get that new game that that seems so fun to find out that it doesn't actually work. Other games not working is seen as a sign of potential future trouble.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, it's not unreasonable, I had to bail on Forza Horizon 6 at launch, due to severe issues at launch, and the recent DOOM DLC has some visual bugs too (there's a PR in Mesa already!).

    It's amazing it works this well, and the maintainers of these tools are incredible for getting fixes out so quickly when a new game launches with issues, but there are some unavoidable realities to not being the target platform.

    I think the advantages are worth it, and completely deleted my Windows install earlier this year to fully commit, but it's naive to say that the experience is flawless and you won't ever have problems gaming. I can definitely be sympathetic to more casual players being put off by that.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    The same people will generally accept that a ps4 game won't play on an xbox etc. So it is a bit odd.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, it's pretty easy to know. They have an icon directly next to the game that says what it works on.
    You have just as much knowledge about if it'll work as you do based on hardware requirements. Which is to say "none, unless you look at the place where they tell you".

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    By this metric, 99% of games don't work on Linux. How is this helping?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure where you're getting that. It's in excess of 25% that work specifically on the steamdeck, which is the easiest metric to see.

    In any case, if the person is saying it's an issue because you don't know when buying a game, then it seems pretty relevant that you can know by simply "looking where you buy the game". If you Google it, you can find out with an even greater chance of discovering the answer is "yes".

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, love how when I want to play a new game I have to Google it every single time. Also the steam verification badge isn't accurate. They say Borderlands 4 can run on a steam deck while saying other working games are fully unsupported.

    Last point, everybody keeps skirting around the fact that these kernel level anti-cheat games are multiplayer. People want to play with their friends, its that simple. For a lot of people it's their only point of contact with a friend. But yeah, lemme go change everything over to Linux now because 25% of steam games run on it.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    You're kinda being a dick for no reason.

    Someone said it's a turnoff because they have no idea. The information is as prominent as the rest of the system requirements. If you don't want to Google it, don't: you can just look at the system requirements. Other websites often have more detailed information about what system configurations a game works with. That's true for gpus through operating systems.

    I didn't skirt around any point. I just didn't talk about it because that's not what I was responding to. Being upset that you might need to read information presented on the page where you buy a game is ridiculous.

    I corrected the <1% number. That's not making any claims about the 25% number beyond "this is the accurate number and not the made up one".

    I don't care what OS you use, games you play, who you play them with or your tolerance for 3rd party kernel modules. I think it's ridiculous to think that looking at supported configurations on the product page is "having no idea". I also think being upset at the prospect of googling a game's name is... A stretch.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I don't usually like competitive games, but there is one now that i actively want to play (just came out with a pve mode) and the devs/publishers have specifically disabled Linux support in the kernel level malware.

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    really really want that kernel level malware

    gold

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    Just think of using Windows as being a cuck who is fine with your kernel getting a train run on it, every day, every night, all the time.

    You literally don't even know by how many, who they specifically are.

    But also, I'm sure its fine, no need for regular STD testing.

    ... not that it would even be possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    easy don't play those games

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  • [+] -17 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    If I had to give up everything that doesn't work on Linux, I wouldn't bother having a computer. FOSS is commie garbage.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Are you a shitty bot or just a shitty troll? Every webservice you use is based on free/open software, without it you would be getting all the speed an reliability of Windows ME from your doom scrolling.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Are you a dumb dumb or an idiot? Web serving is one of the simplest jobs a computer can have. -Why wouldn't they choose the cheapest option? Wow.. gonna block you because arguing with an idiot is a waste of time.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    critical piece of web serving infrastructure

    Do you even try to make sense?

    Show me a AAA FOSS game. Even the FOSS games that come close had their engines donated. Professional production software like Adobe, Office, CAD - The industry runs on proprietary. Blender is probably the best thing you have, and it was practically donated too.

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You do realize that Linux is intended to be run on ECC memory, while Windows has been built with many features to compensate and is therefore more resilient for almost all home users. Your anecdotes are funny because they lack all technical merit (typical Linux propaganda).

    Even Linus Torvalds would shake his head at the nonsense LiGNUts put out there.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Just fyi, you are talking to a nutter. That person created the linuxsucks community and seems to spend all waking (probably sleeping too) hours thinking about linux and how to get mad at linux. Don Quixote has nothing on this guy

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Data integrity is a hardware problem, not an OS problem.

    The myth that Linux is stable enough that you don't need ECC unless you're running ZFS or a database is wrong. A flipped bit corrupts memory before the OS sees it.

    -ECC protects the OS. The OS cannot protect itself.

    Windows has the most aggressive consumer‑grade fault‑tolerance stack with WHEA, bad‑page retirement, PCIe AER recovery, GPU/driver subsystem restart, VBS integrity enforcement, core offlining, and memory poisoning.

    -These features dramatically reduce crashes on unreliable hardware.

    ECC is the only one to detect single‑bit errors, correct single‑bit errors, detect multi‑bit errors, and prevent silent corruption from propagating. It's not 'Linux stability' - it's literally ECC (which most consumer desktops and laptops don't have)!

    -Servers need ECC because server workloads demand correctness (and Linux doesn't even try to deliver that because they don't have to).

    Cosmic rays, electrical noise, and manufacturing defects literally hit hardware, not software. -That famous blue screen in front of an audience during a Windows presentation? -Nothing to be ashamed about (but they could've used ECC)!

    If the hardware lies, the OS has no way to know. Even Windows Server requires ECC. Enterprise Linux distros recommend ECC. It's about physics: not the OS.

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