▲ 922 ▼ Google must pay €4.1bn fine for using Android to 'block' rivals (www.bbc.co.uk) submitted 4 months ago by LadyButterfly@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 125 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] garbage_world@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (14 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 months ago (13 children) Lineage OS and Graphene OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 17 points 4 months ago (4 children) If you can. The problem there is Play Integrity API, which is used as an anti-competition measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Revolut was the only app I had issues with on Graphene OS. I obviously closed Revolut account and continue using Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) I use Revolut with no issue on GrapheneOS. Maybe things changed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Interesting, looks like they fixed it last year: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/90 For sure thanks to people like me who complained and closed their account :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago Sure, but I'm not interested in that ecosystem at all. My desktop and my tablet don't run proprietary software. My phone runs a few apps which rely on sandboxed Play, but honestly, I don't need them badly so I could stop tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children) Both of those are soft forks of Android, meaning they still exist at the whim of Google. The only real alternatives are Sailfish (proprietary userland, relies on Halium for its devices to run, which means the devices have a limited lifespan as they rely on a specific version of the Linux kernel that will eventually stop being supported), UBPorts, Droidian, etc. (also relies on Halium, but the userland is open sourcs), and mainline Linux distros like PostmarketOS (has one device that is fully functional, but is extremely slow, but device support is slowly improving over time). All of those alternatives also support an Android compatibility layer, presuming you don't rely on device attestation DRM like Play Integrity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If I can't have hardware that supports open source Android forks, then it means that I won't buy it. I can work around with dumbphones, MiFi routers with tethered Linux or BSD portables. I will not use a proprietary system outside of work, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) If i remember correctly, GNU is working on a Librephone, the progress is slow tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) the progress is slow tho Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 12 points 4 months ago (2 children) Yeah don't use android. Use android. And android but only for google's phones. That'll learn 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 4 months ago Google makes a good, open, affordable phone with 7 years of support. They suck but their phone is not the problem here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Use whatever nonproprietary open/libre systems that are out there. Right now, for mobile smartdevices that's Lineage OS and Graphene OS. If you want GOS, that's currently limited to Pixels. I'm not giving a shit about proprietary vendors, it's a freedom thing. If I can buy open hardware, I will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 months ago (13 children) Lineage OS and Graphene OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 17 points 4 months ago (4 children) If you can. The problem there is Play Integrity API, which is used as an anti-competition measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Revolut was the only app I had issues with on Graphene OS. I obviously closed Revolut account and continue using Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) I use Revolut with no issue on GrapheneOS. Maybe things changed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Interesting, looks like they fixed it last year: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/90 For sure thanks to people like me who complained and closed their account :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago Sure, but I'm not interested in that ecosystem at all. My desktop and my tablet don't run proprietary software. My phone runs a few apps which rely on sandboxed Play, but honestly, I don't need them badly so I could stop tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children) Both of those are soft forks of Android, meaning they still exist at the whim of Google. The only real alternatives are Sailfish (proprietary userland, relies on Halium for its devices to run, which means the devices have a limited lifespan as they rely on a specific version of the Linux kernel that will eventually stop being supported), UBPorts, Droidian, etc. (also relies on Halium, but the userland is open sourcs), and mainline Linux distros like PostmarketOS (has one device that is fully functional, but is extremely slow, but device support is slowly improving over time). All of those alternatives also support an Android compatibility layer, presuming you don't rely on device attestation DRM like Play Integrity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If I can't have hardware that supports open source Android forks, then it means that I won't buy it. I can work around with dumbphones, MiFi routers with tethered Linux or BSD portables. I will not use a proprietary system outside of work, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) If i remember correctly, GNU is working on a Librephone, the progress is slow tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) the progress is slow tho Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 12 points 4 months ago (2 children) Yeah don't use android. Use android. And android but only for google's phones. That'll learn 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 4 months ago Google makes a good, open, affordable phone with 7 years of support. They suck but their phone is not the problem here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Use whatever nonproprietary open/libre systems that are out there. Right now, for mobile smartdevices that's Lineage OS and Graphene OS. If you want GOS, that's currently limited to Pixels. I'm not giving a shit about proprietary vendors, it's a freedom thing. If I can buy open hardware, I will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 17 points 4 months ago (4 children) If you can. The problem there is Play Integrity API, which is used as an anti-competition measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Revolut was the only app I had issues with on Graphene OS. I obviously closed Revolut account and continue using Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) I use Revolut with no issue on GrapheneOS. Maybe things changed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Interesting, looks like they fixed it last year: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/90 For sure thanks to people like me who complained and closed their account :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago Sure, but I'm not interested in that ecosystem at all. My desktop and my tablet don't run proprietary software. My phone runs a few apps which rely on sandboxed Play, but honestly, I don't need them badly so I could stop tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 4 months ago (2 children) Revolut was the only app I had issues with on Graphene OS. I obviously closed Revolut account and continue using Graphene. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) I use Revolut with no issue on GrapheneOS. Maybe things changed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Interesting, looks like they fixed it last year: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/90 For sure thanks to people like me who complained and closed their account :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) I use Revolut with no issue on GrapheneOS. Maybe things changed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Interesting, looks like they fixed it last year: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/90 For sure thanks to people like me who complained and closed their account :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Interesting, looks like they fixed it last year: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/issues/90 For sure thanks to people like me who complained and closed their account :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago Sure, but I'm not interested in that ecosystem at all. My desktop and my tablet don't run proprietary software. My phone runs a few apps which rely on sandboxed Play, but honestly, I don't need them badly so I could stop tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children) Both of those are soft forks of Android, meaning they still exist at the whim of Google. The only real alternatives are Sailfish (proprietary userland, relies on Halium for its devices to run, which means the devices have a limited lifespan as they rely on a specific version of the Linux kernel that will eventually stop being supported), UBPorts, Droidian, etc. (also relies on Halium, but the userland is open sourcs), and mainline Linux distros like PostmarketOS (has one device that is fully functional, but is extremely slow, but device support is slowly improving over time). All of those alternatives also support an Android compatibility layer, presuming you don't rely on device attestation DRM like Play Integrity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If I can't have hardware that supports open source Android forks, then it means that I won't buy it. I can work around with dumbphones, MiFi routers with tethered Linux or BSD portables. I will not use a proprietary system outside of work, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) If i remember correctly, GNU is working on a Librephone, the progress is slow tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) the progress is slow tho Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If I can't have hardware that supports open source Android forks, then it means that I won't buy it. I can work around with dumbphones, MiFi routers with tethered Linux or BSD portables. I will not use a proprietary system outside of work, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) If i remember correctly, GNU is working on a Librephone, the progress is slow tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) the progress is slow tho Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) If i remember correctly, GNU is working on a Librephone, the progress is slow tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) the progress is slow tho Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) the progress is slow tho Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 points 4 months ago* The FSF isn't really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it's not crucial to finish Hurd Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 12 points 4 months ago (2 children) Yeah don't use android. Use android. And android but only for google's phones. That'll learn 'em. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 4 months ago Google makes a good, open, affordable phone with 7 years of support. They suck but their phone is not the problem here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Use whatever nonproprietary open/libre systems that are out there. Right now, for mobile smartdevices that's Lineage OS and Graphene OS. If you want GOS, that's currently limited to Pixels. I'm not giving a shit about proprietary vendors, it's a freedom thing. If I can buy open hardware, I will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 4 months ago Google makes a good, open, affordable phone with 7 years of support. They suck but their phone is not the problem here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Use whatever nonproprietary open/libre systems that are out there. Right now, for mobile smartdevices that's Lineage OS and Graphene OS. If you want GOS, that's currently limited to Pixels. I'm not giving a shit about proprietary vendors, it's a freedom thing. If I can buy open hardware, I will. permalink fedilink source parent