▲ 922 ▼ Google must pay €4.1bn fine for using Android to 'block' rivals (www.bbc.co.uk) submitted 4 months ago by LadyButterfly@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 125 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] radiouser@crazypeople.online 150 points 4 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] joyjoy@piefed.social 92 points 4 months ago the price of doing business permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 51 points 4 months ago (3 children) The question is how much money did they make by using Android to block rivals. If using Android helped them make 1bn extra then this fine costs them 3bn and it doesn't make sense from them to keep doing it. If they made 100bn than obviously they will continue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean, with it they've managed to build a walled garden that includes the majority of every phone in the world. We can probably assume trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 4 months ago It's all hypothetical. You can't know if any of the rivals had any chance at gaining significant share of the market. I was using Blackberry when it was still perfectly fine OS, supported by all the important apps (but before everything was an app) and I didn't know anyone else using it. I think that yes, the deals they made stopped most of the phone manufactures from offering alternative OSes like Geko OS or Lineage OS (before it was called like that) but we can only guess if any of them had any chance of becoming anything else than niche curiosity like Graphene OS today. So you can only really compare this fine with what they are doing now to block Graphene or AOSP. I don't know if this fine is big enough but I doubt they made trillions thanks to those practices. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago I was going to say "Finally, a fine with some substance!" but you took the wind out of my sails... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Total Worth doesn't matter. What matters is revenue and profit and that is the basis for the fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (1 child) When it comes to something punitive like a fine, fine versus worth is literally the only thing that matters. If the fine isn't big enough, it's more like a fee for doing business. They just added to the bottom line and keep rolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago It really is not. Companies operate on creating profit. Activities are judged on their ROI. Worth is not relevant for the ROI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joyjoy@piefed.social 92 points 4 months ago the price of doing business permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 51 points 4 months ago (3 children) The question is how much money did they make by using Android to block rivals. If using Android helped them make 1bn extra then this fine costs them 3bn and it doesn't make sense from them to keep doing it. If they made 100bn than obviously they will continue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean, with it they've managed to build a walled garden that includes the majority of every phone in the world. We can probably assume trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 4 months ago It's all hypothetical. You can't know if any of the rivals had any chance at gaining significant share of the market. I was using Blackberry when it was still perfectly fine OS, supported by all the important apps (but before everything was an app) and I didn't know anyone else using it. I think that yes, the deals they made stopped most of the phone manufactures from offering alternative OSes like Geko OS or Lineage OS (before it was called like that) but we can only guess if any of them had any chance of becoming anything else than niche curiosity like Graphene OS today. So you can only really compare this fine with what they are doing now to block Graphene or AOSP. I don't know if this fine is big enough but I doubt they made trillions thanks to those practices. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean, with it they've managed to build a walled garden that includes the majority of every phone in the world. We can probably assume trillions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 4 months ago It's all hypothetical. You can't know if any of the rivals had any chance at gaining significant share of the market. I was using Blackberry when it was still perfectly fine OS, supported by all the important apps (but before everything was an app) and I didn't know anyone else using it. I think that yes, the deals they made stopped most of the phone manufactures from offering alternative OSes like Geko OS or Lineage OS (before it was called like that) but we can only guess if any of them had any chance of becoming anything else than niche curiosity like Graphene OS today. So you can only really compare this fine with what they are doing now to block Graphene or AOSP. I don't know if this fine is big enough but I doubt they made trillions thanks to those practices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 4 months ago It's all hypothetical. You can't know if any of the rivals had any chance at gaining significant share of the market. I was using Blackberry when it was still perfectly fine OS, supported by all the important apps (but before everything was an app) and I didn't know anyone else using it. I think that yes, the deals they made stopped most of the phone manufactures from offering alternative OSes like Geko OS or Lineage OS (before it was called like that) but we can only guess if any of them had any chance of becoming anything else than niche curiosity like Graphene OS today. So you can only really compare this fine with what they are doing now to block Graphene or AOSP. I don't know if this fine is big enough but I doubt they made trillions thanks to those practices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago I was going to say "Finally, a fine with some substance!" but you took the wind out of my sails... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Total Worth doesn't matter. What matters is revenue and profit and that is the basis for the fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (1 child) When it comes to something punitive like a fine, fine versus worth is literally the only thing that matters. If the fine isn't big enough, it's more like a fee for doing business. They just added to the bottom line and keep rolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago It really is not. Companies operate on creating profit. Activities are judged on their ROI. Worth is not relevant for the ROI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (1 child) When it comes to something punitive like a fine, fine versus worth is literally the only thing that matters. If the fine isn't big enough, it's more like a fee for doing business. They just added to the bottom line and keep rolling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago It really is not. Companies operate on creating profit. Activities are judged on their ROI. Worth is not relevant for the ROI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago It really is not. Companies operate on creating profit. Activities are judged on their ROI. Worth is not relevant for the ROI. permalink fedilink source parent