He added that physical and psychological damages “inflicted on each individual of the Iranian nation in the 2nd and 3rd imposed wars, from child killings and war crimes in Minab and Lamerd to attacks on medical centres, is each a legal file that must be pursued in both domestic and international courts.”

He further stated that from the “murder” of newborns and the elderly to the assassination of his father and predecessor, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, “each is a file among thousands of major legal cases that must be earnestly pursued in domestic and international courts”.

“What is definite is that these criminals must be seized by the collar and brought to justice for their criminal deeds,” he asserted.

Never in my life could I have expected to agree with the Iranian government. But, on this specific issue? I do. There needs to be accountability for this.

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[–] 84 points 4 months ago (60 children)

I agree, but you should also pay for killing women for not wearing hijab.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    This doesn't have to be an either/or situation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    ... On Lemmy? I think we are looping back here.

    Generalised statements might work on reddit but to claim Lemmy users are the same is, as of now, a fools game

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately it's still humans behind the keyboards. The "my camp, not their camp" mentality is too deeply seeded in our primate brains. This is demonstrated by the most highly upvoted comment in this comment section.

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  • I have to say though, it seems like they stop trying to win with logic and therefore concede the discussion. On reddit I would have expected months maybe years of incoming vitriol when commenting against the grain in an obviously biased group's post

    So at least there is that, hooray

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    People hate whataboutism until it’s used to cast shade on the enemies of America’s oligarchs.

    I don’t get how people can hate billionaires, then spout rhetoric that directly helps their genocidal programs. Iran is the lesser evil in this fight, and in fact one of the only countries standing up to the world’s biggest threat- American/western imperialism. You don’t have to like them, but you also don’t have to carry water for the oppressors.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You're allowed to not like both of them

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If every time Iran calls out the warcrimes and genocide of the US, you answer with a criticism of Iran, all you are doing is saying that the US is right to do warcrimes. That it’s justified because Iran mistreats some of its citizens.

    Iran is literally fighting to stop its schoolgirls from being bombed, and you’re out here saying, “Maybe if you hadn’t forced the little girls to wear burkas they’d still be alive.”

    Again, you don’t have to like them, but maybe just shut up about it for a second so we can all focus on the bigger issue. It’s called critical support.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The comment said he agreed with the post.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If it was not his intention, why would he start with I agree? He could have only kept the whataboutsim part. Can you consider he may be against both, or is that too far fetched for your intention guessing ability?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    There is already sanctions on Iran related to human right abuses by countries backing a genocidal state with weapons and diplomatic protection. Israel and the usa are the countries that are not getting punished

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (26 children)

    The western leaders should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague. Don't you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Two things can be true. No need to "whatabout" these topics

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (19 children)

    Indeed. But you can't demonise the other side for doing them while you paddle in the same pool

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    There is a difrence between having a bad or wrong enforced law vs destroying a random school.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    It wasn't random. It was a double-tap strike in a first strike package (generally the most well researched targets) that fucking Google maps knew was a girls school for years.

    It was either a deliberate terror strike that intentionally killed a hundred and seventy or so girls between the ages of 9-12 or it was a level of incompetence that is indistinguishable from intentionality and should be treated as such.

    Don't justify this action even the slightest by trying to go 'Whoops, teehee, just an accident'

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    From what I had heard of it, it was likely an AI produced target list with a human in the loop. But the problem with those is that a human in the loop often turns into a rubber stamp, with the human taking the blame for the AI's mistakes.

    So in that sense, you may be right. That is a problem that is pretty widely understood. They should have known that and taken more care. Trump and his "Department of War" has brought an even more cavalier attitude toward civilian casualties, so that may be seen as acceptable for "efficiency".

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (13 children)

    What? There's no both sides to this lol. One side is being attacked and one side is defending.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (12 children)

    Don't you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?

    Literally replying to your words

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Honest question at this point: do you think Iran as a nation never existed before the us and israel decided to invade them?

    Saying the US threw themselves into a war to distract from the epstein files, or that the current administration (ok lets be honest,the nation state for a long fuckin' time) commits crimes against humanity is one thing. Claiming that only the US has ever commited humans rights violations is just...wat

    Call the US shitbags for what they do. But don't pretend Iran is a lily white innocent dove here. Especially when it comes to trafficking and sexual abuse

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    The US is, and has been for a long time, the greatest source of death and misery in the world. Even before this, it can easily be argued that without US interference and aggression Iran would be a happier, freer place.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    true, but I don't see how that actually answers the question posited. Iran has committed numerous human rights violations on their accord. They shot over thirty six thousand of their own people in January.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    What question posited? Whether Iran existed as a nation before earlier this year? I'm really struggling to understand your point. It seems to me that you would like to decontextualize Iran. History matters, and you will never understand the present without studying the past.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Right, but the original thread wasn't discussing history, was it? That was a goal post move.

    More than one thing can be correct. And in this case, the Israelis and US do not need to be in Iran, but this does not negate the ridiculousness of making a comment like "Don’t you think indiscriminate bombing, genocide, and child sex trafficking are a bigger problem?" when both sides commit these exact crimes.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    no kidding. But we cannot pretend they are the only source. Bouncing from broken system to broken system gets us nowhere

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Who's talking about bouncing from system to system? Imperial forces need to stop fucking with countries, and let them develop their societies themselves. All the bombing, sanctions etc will only continue to hamper natural political development. The current geopolitical balance is exactly what gets us nowhere. At least nowhere good.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe there's more than one problem, and none of the governments involved in this are the good guys.

    Yes, America and Israel are responsible for the current clusterfuck, but Iran's government is still pretty fucking evil.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I’m against that too, but not wearing hijab is not a capital offense in Iran.

    The famous case of Masa Amini was a case of resisting arrest gone wrong and she died from police brutality. Saying she was killed for not wearing hijab is like saying Eric Garner was killed for not paying taxes; it’s an incomplete story.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    This absolves the USA of responsibility for waging illegal imperial war for profit and committing war crimes and funding and arming zionist genocide in Palestine.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I agree the whataboutism is lame as fuck, but idk about "absolves the USA of responsibility". The US didn't really even pretend this was about "bringing democracy" or whatever. The Trump admin waffled between "Israel made us do it :(" and "WOOWW LOOK AT ALL THIS OIL"

    The US-Israeli propaganda machine is totally broken since Gaza. They knew there was no point in even trying to play a humanitarian angle.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Yup. Not a bad message, but a terrible messenger. His father is responsible for the massacre of thousands of protestors, and he was by all accounts part of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    People are judged by their own actions not the action of their parents. Not to imply that he is not authoritarian himself

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