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Clue is in the name (reddthat.com)
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[–] 3 points 4 months ago (8 children)

So is it "sock-urh" or "soe'sh-ur"? The latter being like "social" but with an -er ending. Because that's how 'association' is pronounced.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Where is "association" pronounced like that, if I may ask? I could only find the pronunciation I'm familiar with, which is this: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pronunciation/english/association

    To maybe be more clear: you are implying that the c in "soc" is pronounced like a "sh" when it's the t in "tion".

    (Edit: missed some letters.)

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    To maybe be more clear: you are implying that the c in "soc" is pronounced like a "sh" when it's the t in "tion".

    Is it not? How do you pronounce it?

    Also I'm pretty sure that's what the "ʃən" at the end of the pronunciation thing means.

    Looking at the sound-by-sound pronunciation, it seems to confirm this.

    /ʃ/ as in she

    /ən/ as in sudden

    I think the question was whether or not people pronounce the "soc" in "soccer" the same as they pronounce it in "association" ("soʃ" I guess), or like "sock"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I did provide a link where both the British and the American pronunciation treat the c as an s sound. They have the IPA as /əˌsəʊ.siˈeɪ.ʃən/ for both dialects. "soc" does contain the c, not the t.

    As I said, I'm not debating that the t in "tion" is pronounced that way (at least I tried to be clear, maybe I muddled it even more), but I have always pronounced the c as an s sound, and it appears Cambridge agrees with me.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Some British English dialects do use a ʃ sound for the C in "association". OED has it listed for both UK and USA, though I don't personally know what the US situation is there

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The pronunciation tab there is paywalled, but in the OED app on my phone, they list /əˌsəʊsiˈeɪʃn/, followed by /əˌsəʊʃiˈeɪʃn/ in the pronunciation section. I honestly can't recall ever hearing a single person in the US pronounce it /əˌsəʊʃiˈeɪʃn/, and though I won't say nobody does, the other pronunciation is far and away more common, where the 'c' and 't' make entirely distinct sounds.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, that's how I pronounce 'association' as well.

    I see now that I said it wrong. The 'c' in 'association' is pronounced like an 's', so is it 'so-ser'? Like saying "so-so" but with an -er at the end?

    So, if I may ask, how do you pronounce soccer?

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