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[–] markz@suppo.fi 45 points 1 year ago (27 children) Do yourself a favor and go to https://bitwarden.com/ permalink fedilink source hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 33 points 1 year ago (9 children) Then you can generate a password so big and complex, the site or app starts begging you to stop. At that moment, you can say "ur password system is weak." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 34 points 1 year ago (7 children) Careful with that. Sometimes a site will allow you to use some stupid long password when you sign up, but then it turns out that some other version of the site or an app for it on other platforms won't accept a password that long! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's okay, I just want to hear "it's too big" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It just says "wrong password" and you'll be guessing at which random character did it cut the password. Luckily sometimes it's just a stupid html verification form that can be disabled in the console and be submitted anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 1 year ago I mentioned lemmy passwords in the other reply. Guess how I found out permalink fedilink source parent [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Or alternatively, it allows you to enter a password as long as you like, but on their end it gets truncated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] noodly_appendage@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) My e-mail provider does this. I wanted to change my password to some 64 character long generated string. It accepted, but I could not log in after that. After a few tries, I found the reason and, after another few tries, also the limit at which it gets truncated: 16 characters! God, how I hate them for this... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed. 16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don't even realize that your password isn't nearly as secure as you thought it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago In lemmy, password length is capped to 60. Weak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) Almost, but KeepassDX is better 😎 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] owsei@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) It's not a service you're paying for. It is just a password manager. Though tbh, I don't know all of bitwardens spesific details. It's at least open source, but can you have your passwords stored anywhere other than their servers? What if the company changes path - can you just use another fork or are you stuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 16 points 1 year ago Bitwarden is self-hostable and foss, with some unofficial software already out there. Not much opportunity for the company to entrap customers if it went evil. IMO, for most people it's best to just send them to register at bitwarden. It's less hassle so they might actually follow through, while being infinitely better than what they were doing before. permalink fedilink source parent [–] owsei@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Thanks, I'll look into it :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Sadly they are putting 'AI' bullshit into it now: https://bitwarden.com/blog/bitwarden-mcp-server/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 5 points 1 year ago Yes but it's opt in, not opt out, it's not shoved down my throat unlike most other companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Arghh, why is every company thinking, that AI will make them valuable... "Let AI retrieve, generate and manage all your credentials" Yeah a definite nope, for what reason do I use bitwarden? So that exactly this doesn't happen... Anyway vaultwarden is what I'm using, much more performant and self-contained, compatible to bitwarden (but you need to host it, obviously)... permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't wait to have chatgpt post my passwords online permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* We're not sure what system they use, but yeah. That was our thoughts too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Or just use the built in password managers in chrome or Firefox. No need to pay for a password manager when they are free on the browsers most people already use permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) No need to pay I didn't say anything about paying. It's free in both meanings of the word. It's also cross-platform and -browser and better than builtin ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fair enough but both the chrome and Firefox password managers are cross platform and can be exported and imported supporting the ability to move away from them in the future should you choose. So for a first step from having insecure passwords to a password manager that gives strong passwords for someone who doesnt even want to rema strong password in the first place, they are good steps in the right direction. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Funnily enough, I almost said that to the keepass person. But there are some upsides. I've seen people find the separate extension ui easier because it doesn't blend into browser settings. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't recommend that. Bitwarden is free and works on any device, and doesn't tie you to a browser. What if you want to switch browsers someday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lag@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Same as wanting to switch password managers some day. Firefox has been the most consistent thing in my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago That's not really the same. But if it works for you, go for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 33 points 1 year ago (9 children) Then you can generate a password so big and complex, the site or app starts begging you to stop. At that moment, you can say "ur password system is weak." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 34 points 1 year ago (7 children) Careful with that. Sometimes a site will allow you to use some stupid long password when you sign up, but then it turns out that some other version of the site or an app for it on other platforms won't accept a password that long! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's okay, I just want to hear "it's too big" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It just says "wrong password" and you'll be guessing at which random character did it cut the password. Luckily sometimes it's just a stupid html verification form that can be disabled in the console and be submitted anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 1 year ago I mentioned lemmy passwords in the other reply. Guess how I found out permalink fedilink source parent [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Or alternatively, it allows you to enter a password as long as you like, but on their end it gets truncated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] noodly_appendage@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) My e-mail provider does this. I wanted to change my password to some 64 character long generated string. It accepted, but I could not log in after that. After a few tries, I found the reason and, after another few tries, also the limit at which it gets truncated: 16 characters! God, how I hate them for this... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed. 16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don't even realize that your password isn't nearly as secure as you thought it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago In lemmy, password length is capped to 60. Weak. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 34 points 1 year ago (7 children) Careful with that. Sometimes a site will allow you to use some stupid long password when you sign up, but then it turns out that some other version of the site or an app for it on other platforms won't accept a password that long! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's okay, I just want to hear "it's too big" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It just says "wrong password" and you'll be guessing at which random character did it cut the password. Luckily sometimes it's just a stupid html verification form that can be disabled in the console and be submitted anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 1 year ago I mentioned lemmy passwords in the other reply. Guess how I found out permalink fedilink source parent [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Or alternatively, it allows you to enter a password as long as you like, but on their end it gets truncated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] noodly_appendage@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) My e-mail provider does this. I wanted to change my password to some 64 character long generated string. It accepted, but I could not log in after that. After a few tries, I found the reason and, after another few tries, also the limit at which it gets truncated: 16 characters! God, how I hate them for this... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed. 16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don't even realize that your password isn't nearly as secure as you thought it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's okay, I just want to hear "it's too big" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It just says "wrong password" and you'll be guessing at which random character did it cut the password. Luckily sometimes it's just a stupid html verification form that can be disabled in the console and be submitted anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It just says "wrong password" and you'll be guessing at which random character did it cut the password. Luckily sometimes it's just a stupid html verification form that can be disabled in the console and be submitted anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 1 year ago In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 3 points 1 year ago I mentioned lemmy passwords in the other reply. Guess how I found out permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Or alternatively, it allows you to enter a password as long as you like, but on their end it gets truncated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] noodly_appendage@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) My e-mail provider does this. I wanted to change my password to some 64 character long generated string. It accepted, but I could not log in after that. After a few tries, I found the reason and, after another few tries, also the limit at which it gets truncated: 16 characters! God, how I hate them for this... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed. 16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don't even realize that your password isn't nearly as secure as you thought it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] noodly_appendage@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) My e-mail provider does this. I wanted to change my password to some 64 character long generated string. It accepted, but I could not log in after that. After a few tries, I found the reason and, after another few tries, also the limit at which it gets truncated: 16 characters! God, how I hate them for this... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed. 16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don't even realize that your password isn't nearly as secure as you thought it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed. 16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don't even realize that your password isn't nearly as secure as you thought it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago In lemmy, password length is capped to 60. Weak. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (4 children) Almost, but KeepassDX is better 😎 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] owsei@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) It's not a service you're paying for. It is just a password manager. Though tbh, I don't know all of bitwardens spesific details. It's at least open source, but can you have your passwords stored anywhere other than their servers? What if the company changes path - can you just use another fork or are you stuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 16 points 1 year ago Bitwarden is self-hostable and foss, with some unofficial software already out there. Not much opportunity for the company to entrap customers if it went evil. IMO, for most people it's best to just send them to register at bitwarden. It's less hassle so they might actually follow through, while being infinitely better than what they were doing before. permalink fedilink source parent [–] owsei@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Thanks, I'll look into it :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] owsei@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) It's not a service you're paying for. It is just a password manager. Though tbh, I don't know all of bitwardens spesific details. It's at least open source, but can you have your passwords stored anywhere other than their servers? What if the company changes path - can you just use another fork or are you stuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 16 points 1 year ago Bitwarden is self-hostable and foss, with some unofficial software already out there. Not much opportunity for the company to entrap customers if it went evil. IMO, for most people it's best to just send them to register at bitwarden. It's less hassle so they might actually follow through, while being infinitely better than what they were doing before. permalink fedilink source parent [–] owsei@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Thanks, I'll look into it :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) It's not a service you're paying for. It is just a password manager. Though tbh, I don't know all of bitwardens spesific details. It's at least open source, but can you have your passwords stored anywhere other than their servers? What if the company changes path - can you just use another fork or are you stuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 16 points 1 year ago Bitwarden is self-hostable and foss, with some unofficial software already out there. Not much opportunity for the company to entrap customers if it went evil. IMO, for most people it's best to just send them to register at bitwarden. It's less hassle so they might actually follow through, while being infinitely better than what they were doing before. permalink fedilink source parent [–] owsei@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Thanks, I'll look into it :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 16 points 1 year ago Bitwarden is self-hostable and foss, with some unofficial software already out there. Not much opportunity for the company to entrap customers if it went evil. IMO, for most people it's best to just send them to register at bitwarden. It's less hassle so they might actually follow through, while being infinitely better than what they were doing before. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] owsei@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Thanks, I'll look into it :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Sadly they are putting 'AI' bullshit into it now: https://bitwarden.com/blog/bitwarden-mcp-server/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 5 points 1 year ago Yes but it's opt in, not opt out, it's not shoved down my throat unlike most other companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Arghh, why is every company thinking, that AI will make them valuable... "Let AI retrieve, generate and manage all your credentials" Yeah a definite nope, for what reason do I use bitwarden? So that exactly this doesn't happen... Anyway vaultwarden is what I'm using, much more performant and self-contained, compatible to bitwarden (but you need to host it, obviously)... permalink fedilink source parent [–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't wait to have chatgpt post my passwords online permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* We're not sure what system they use, but yeah. That was our thoughts too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 5 points 1 year ago Yes but it's opt in, not opt out, it's not shoved down my throat unlike most other companies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Arghh, why is every company thinking, that AI will make them valuable... "Let AI retrieve, generate and manage all your credentials" Yeah a definite nope, for what reason do I use bitwarden? So that exactly this doesn't happen... Anyway vaultwarden is what I'm using, much more performant and self-contained, compatible to bitwarden (but you need to host it, obviously)... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't wait to have chatgpt post my passwords online permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* We're not sure what system they use, but yeah. That was our thoughts too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* We're not sure what system they use, but yeah. That was our thoughts too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Or just use the built in password managers in chrome or Firefox. No need to pay for a password manager when they are free on the browsers most people already use permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) No need to pay I didn't say anything about paying. It's free in both meanings of the word. It's also cross-platform and -browser and better than builtin ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fair enough but both the chrome and Firefox password managers are cross platform and can be exported and imported supporting the ability to move away from them in the future should you choose. So for a first step from having insecure passwords to a password manager that gives strong passwords for someone who doesnt even want to rema strong password in the first place, they are good steps in the right direction. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Funnily enough, I almost said that to the keepass person. But there are some upsides. I've seen people find the separate extension ui easier because it doesn't blend into browser settings. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't recommend that. Bitwarden is free and works on any device, and doesn't tie you to a browser. What if you want to switch browsers someday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lag@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Same as wanting to switch password managers some day. Firefox has been the most consistent thing in my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago That's not really the same. But if it works for you, go for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) No need to pay I didn't say anything about paying. It's free in both meanings of the word. It's also cross-platform and -browser and better than builtin ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fair enough but both the chrome and Firefox password managers are cross platform and can be exported and imported supporting the ability to move away from them in the future should you choose. So for a first step from having insecure passwords to a password manager that gives strong passwords for someone who doesnt even want to rema strong password in the first place, they are good steps in the right direction. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Funnily enough, I almost said that to the keepass person. But there are some upsides. I've seen people find the separate extension ui easier because it doesn't blend into browser settings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Fair enough but both the chrome and Firefox password managers are cross platform and can be exported and imported supporting the ability to move away from them in the future should you choose. So for a first step from having insecure passwords to a password manager that gives strong passwords for someone who doesnt even want to rema strong password in the first place, they are good steps in the right direction. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Funnily enough, I almost said that to the keepass person. But there are some upsides. I've seen people find the separate extension ui easier because it doesn't blend into browser settings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markz@suppo.fi 2 points 1 year ago Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Funnily enough, I almost said that to the keepass person. But there are some upsides. I've seen people find the separate extension ui easier because it doesn't blend into browser settings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I wouldn't recommend that. Bitwarden is free and works on any device, and doesn't tie you to a browser. What if you want to switch browsers someday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lag@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Same as wanting to switch password managers some day. Firefox has been the most consistent thing in my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago That's not really the same. But if it works for you, go for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lag@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Same as wanting to switch password managers some day. Firefox has been the most consistent thing in my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago That's not really the same. But if it works for you, go for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago That's not really the same. But if it works for you, go for it. permalink fedilink source parent