▲ 88 ▼ Flatpak’s Future May Leave Non-systemd Distros Behind (linuxiac.com) submitted 5 months ago by cm0002@lemy.lol to c/linux@programming.dev 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago (17 children) Why are people using flatpak again? permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.ca 41 points 5 months ago* (1 child) They're somewhat sandboxed, likely to be up to date, and it behaves similarly across different machines. It's nice for GUI programs that don't need access to the wider system, and it won't mess with anything else that I already have installed. I guess it would have similar pros and cons as containerization with Podman/Docker? I get the vast majority of my GUI programs from Flathub. I didn't know there was a controversy with it, other than just wanting a different way of doing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) Yea I love Flatpak. No dependency hell, works great in Discover, never need to pipe curl into bash for some huge installer script, it gives a little bit of safety with sandboxing, and you can even install/update without the admin password I almost always favor it except for something more core to the system (web browser, Steam... that's about it lol) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 26 points 5 months ago (11 children) Because it just works, and updates faster than apt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Everything updates faster than apt, and AppImages just work if that's the standard we're going with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 12 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't hate AppImages, but they're not as convenient as Flatpak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How? I dont think its possible to be more convenient than an AppImage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children) How do you know an update has been released? How do you upgrade it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) AppImages don't go in Discover with all my other programs. They don't auto update, no review system, no way to cleanup the files they created when uninstalling, I have to manually add shortcuts to my app launcher. Also Flatseal is pretty cool. I've tried Gear Lever, but in my experience it hasn't ever succeeded in updating an AppImage for me. And it's kind of awkward giving it an AppImage file so it can move the file, instead of the download and the installation being the same single action. One thing a lot of people don't know about Flatpak is that you can get .flatpakref files like Kdenlive uses for their daily builds. Very cool! https://cdn.kde.org/flatpak/kdenlive-nightly/org.kde.kdenlive.flatpakref https://kdenlive.org/download/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Because at least with flatpak I don’t end up with app files littering my system and personal folders. macOS’s application format used to be the best. It’s kind of a mess now with half of apps following xdg, some writing to the app folder, some application support and some iCloud Drive. But it used to be good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wilmo@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago A clean home directory is the best selling point for me with flatpaks permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mikina@programming.dev 11 points 5 months ago I have an atomic distro, and it lets me install apps without having to reboot or spin up distrobox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otter@lemmy.ca 41 points 5 months ago* (1 child) They're somewhat sandboxed, likely to be up to date, and it behaves similarly across different machines. It's nice for GUI programs that don't need access to the wider system, and it won't mess with anything else that I already have installed. I guess it would have similar pros and cons as containerization with Podman/Docker? I get the vast majority of my GUI programs from Flathub. I didn't know there was a controversy with it, other than just wanting a different way of doing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) Yea I love Flatpak. No dependency hell, works great in Discover, never need to pipe curl into bash for some huge installer script, it gives a little bit of safety with sandboxing, and you can even install/update without the admin password I almost always favor it except for something more core to the system (web browser, Steam... that's about it lol) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) Yea I love Flatpak. No dependency hell, works great in Discover, never need to pipe curl into bash for some huge installer script, it gives a little bit of safety with sandboxing, and you can even install/update without the admin password I almost always favor it except for something more core to the system (web browser, Steam... that's about it lol) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 26 points 5 months ago (11 children) Because it just works, and updates faster than apt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Everything updates faster than apt, and AppImages just work if that's the standard we're going with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 12 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't hate AppImages, but they're not as convenient as Flatpak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How? I dont think its possible to be more convenient than an AppImage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children) How do you know an update has been released? How do you upgrade it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) AppImages don't go in Discover with all my other programs. They don't auto update, no review system, no way to cleanup the files they created when uninstalling, I have to manually add shortcuts to my app launcher. Also Flatseal is pretty cool. I've tried Gear Lever, but in my experience it hasn't ever succeeded in updating an AppImage for me. And it's kind of awkward giving it an AppImage file so it can move the file, instead of the download and the installation being the same single action. One thing a lot of people don't know about Flatpak is that you can get .flatpakref files like Kdenlive uses for their daily builds. Very cool! https://cdn.kde.org/flatpak/kdenlive-nightly/org.kde.kdenlive.flatpakref https://kdenlive.org/download/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (10 children) Everything updates faster than apt, and AppImages just work if that's the standard we're going with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 12 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't hate AppImages, but they're not as convenient as Flatpak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How? I dont think its possible to be more convenient than an AppImage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children) How do you know an update has been released? How do you upgrade it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) AppImages don't go in Discover with all my other programs. They don't auto update, no review system, no way to cleanup the files they created when uninstalling, I have to manually add shortcuts to my app launcher. Also Flatseal is pretty cool. I've tried Gear Lever, but in my experience it hasn't ever succeeded in updating an AppImage for me. And it's kind of awkward giving it an AppImage file so it can move the file, instead of the download and the installation being the same single action. One thing a lot of people don't know about Flatpak is that you can get .flatpakref files like Kdenlive uses for their daily builds. Very cool! https://cdn.kde.org/flatpak/kdenlive-nightly/org.kde.kdenlive.flatpakref https://kdenlive.org/download/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 12 points 5 months ago (9 children) I don't hate AppImages, but they're not as convenient as Flatpak permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How? I dont think its possible to be more convenient than an AppImage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children) How do you know an update has been released? How do you upgrade it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) AppImages don't go in Discover with all my other programs. They don't auto update, no review system, no way to cleanup the files they created when uninstalling, I have to manually add shortcuts to my app launcher. Also Flatseal is pretty cool. I've tried Gear Lever, but in my experience it hasn't ever succeeded in updating an AppImage for me. And it's kind of awkward giving it an AppImage file so it can move the file, instead of the download and the installation being the same single action. One thing a lot of people don't know about Flatpak is that you can get .flatpakref files like Kdenlive uses for their daily builds. Very cool! https://cdn.kde.org/flatpak/kdenlive-nightly/org.kde.kdenlive.flatpakref https://kdenlive.org/download/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (8 children) How? I dont think its possible to be more convenient than an AppImage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children) How do you know an update has been released? How do you upgrade it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) AppImages don't go in Discover with all my other programs. They don't auto update, no review system, no way to cleanup the files they created when uninstalling, I have to manually add shortcuts to my app launcher. Also Flatseal is pretty cool. I've tried Gear Lever, but in my experience it hasn't ever succeeded in updating an AppImage for me. And it's kind of awkward giving it an AppImage file so it can move the file, instead of the download and the installation being the same single action. One thing a lot of people don't know about Flatpak is that you can get .flatpakref files like Kdenlive uses for their daily builds. Very cool! https://cdn.kde.org/flatpak/kdenlive-nightly/org.kde.kdenlive.flatpakref https://kdenlive.org/download/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children) How do you know an update has been released? How do you upgrade it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children) Gear Lever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children) That's interesting, so it requires flatpak to install, but why would you when you already use flatpak? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children) To use App Images! :D permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) For when the devs provide app image but not flatpak or are app images somehow better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago That or if you're running an immutable distro like Bazzite and there's an app image available because it's easier than setting up OS-tree layering etc. Or you just want an easy way to update app images lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dreamy 2 points 5 months ago Use AppImageLauncher or Gear Lever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) AppImages don't go in Discover with all my other programs. They don't auto update, no review system, no way to cleanup the files they created when uninstalling, I have to manually add shortcuts to my app launcher. Also Flatseal is pretty cool. I've tried Gear Lever, but in my experience it hasn't ever succeeded in updating an AppImage for me. And it's kind of awkward giving it an AppImage file so it can move the file, instead of the download and the installation being the same single action. One thing a lot of people don't know about Flatpak is that you can get .flatpakref files like Kdenlive uses for their daily builds. Very cool! https://cdn.kde.org/flatpak/kdenlive-nightly/org.kde.kdenlive.flatpakref https://kdenlive.org/download/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Because at least with flatpak I don’t end up with app files littering my system and personal folders. macOS’s application format used to be the best. It’s kind of a mess now with half of apps following xdg, some writing to the app folder, some application support and some iCloud Drive. But it used to be good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wilmo@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago A clean home directory is the best selling point for me with flatpaks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wilmo@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago A clean home directory is the best selling point for me with flatpaks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mikina@programming.dev 11 points 5 months ago I have an atomic distro, and it lets me install apps without having to reboot or spin up distrobox. permalink fedilink source parent