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[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago (33 children) I can assure you FBI scanned it for secret cameras. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 77 points 5 months ago* (11 children) I feel like it is entirely plausible to miss something when scanning, I believe it is extremely plausible to miss something when scanning an entire jet aircraft, regardless of the skills of the personnel involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago (7 children) I mean "The Thing" wasn't detected for seven years. It's always possible to miss a listening device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) I feel like I had to have heard of this device before, but that article was a fascinating read - thank you! I think people still think of China as a second tier sometimes, but from what I have seen their technology is likely at least equal to ours, and I would imagine the West and China both surpass each other in different technological categories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billy@piefed.zip 15 points 5 months ago Lol China is far superior to our tech. They get to manufacture everything we design. Then get to ponder on improvements. Not to mention their "students" in all our universities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I wasn't sure if this was going to be a radio interference post, or John Carpenter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago The dog peeling like a banana was what convinced me.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarix@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children) Links broken or page is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) I think your client isn't handling the markdown correctly. Link without markdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Interesting. No idea what markdown means. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) By "the FBI scanned", they probably mean "We told Kash Patel that there was a six pack of Miller hidden somewhere in the plane and let him have at it." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 15 points 5 months ago Right? I was like "Faith in the FBI? Someone didn't watch the Mens Hockey gold medal match..." permalink fedilink source parent [–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 10 points 5 months ago A jet has multiple integrated digital systems meaning it would be super easy to hide things within the wiring or on circuit boards, which is exactly what security professionals said when they accepted the plane - it could never be made truly safe without being gutted - but they didn't listen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 121 points 5 months ago* (15 children) The FBI missed a passive bug that hung in the office of the US ambassador to Russia for 7 years. Don't count them out yet Fascinating stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago This is the idea that inspired RFID. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Casterial@lemmy.world -51 points 5 months ago (13 children) This is old ASF, if you don't think we can't detect these then 😂😂😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children) Do you know what 'passive' means? It's a basically a mirror for a specific frequency. There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The fact that it was made with 1960's Soviet analog tech should tell you that China could plausibly make something better and smaller now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* It would certainly be detectable. You could do an X-ray, sweep the RF spectrum and see the energy disappear at the right frequency, things like that. They had that tech in the 60s too. Also when the bug was in operation it was definitely not passive. It was being fed by what must have been a really strong signal to power it, and transmitted the results back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The Wikipedia article describes how they detected it at the time, with two different mathods. It was first stumbled onto accidentally then there was a focused attempt to pinpoint the source which was successful. Now that technique can be used any time a thorough check is required. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (9 children) tech is tech. if it’s able to not be detected then it’s able to be not detected now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) Why do you think it works like that? They know what it is and how it works, so they know what to look for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flandish@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago i’m saying they grow at the same rate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who "they"? Security services are not the hive, It's not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can't be planted? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Casterial@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (3 children) This is assuming one country is lagging behind their advancements. Most countries are finally catching up to our tech made in the 90s my dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries. If anything, we're lagging behind them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah but this is the fbi right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] savvie@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Kra$h, Patel! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago Like that's enough lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ccunning@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago …and secret whiskey stashes… 👀 permalink fedilink source parent [–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago Don’t threaten me with a good time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leoj@piefed.social 77 points 5 months ago* (11 children) I feel like it is entirely plausible to miss something when scanning, I believe it is extremely plausible to miss something when scanning an entire jet aircraft, regardless of the skills of the personnel involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago (7 children) I mean "The Thing" wasn't detected for seven years. It's always possible to miss a listening device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) I feel like I had to have heard of this device before, but that article was a fascinating read - thank you! I think people still think of China as a second tier sometimes, but from what I have seen their technology is likely at least equal to ours, and I would imagine the West and China both surpass each other in different technological categories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billy@piefed.zip 15 points 5 months ago Lol China is far superior to our tech. They get to manufacture everything we design. Then get to ponder on improvements. Not to mention their "students" in all our universities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I wasn't sure if this was going to be a radio interference post, or John Carpenter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago The dog peeling like a banana was what convinced me.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarix@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children) Links broken or page is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) I think your client isn't handling the markdown correctly. Link without markdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Interesting. No idea what markdown means. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) By "the FBI scanned", they probably mean "We told Kash Patel that there was a six pack of Miller hidden somewhere in the plane and let him have at it." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 15 points 5 months ago Right? I was like "Faith in the FBI? Someone didn't watch the Mens Hockey gold medal match..." permalink fedilink source parent [–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 10 points 5 months ago A jet has multiple integrated digital systems meaning it would be super easy to hide things within the wiring or on circuit boards, which is exactly what security professionals said when they accepted the plane - it could never be made truly safe without being gutted - but they didn't listen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago (7 children) I mean "The Thing" wasn't detected for seven years. It's always possible to miss a listening device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) I feel like I had to have heard of this device before, but that article was a fascinating read - thank you! I think people still think of China as a second tier sometimes, but from what I have seen their technology is likely at least equal to ours, and I would imagine the West and China both surpass each other in different technological categories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billy@piefed.zip 15 points 5 months ago Lol China is far superior to our tech. They get to manufacture everything we design. Then get to ponder on improvements. Not to mention their "students" in all our universities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I wasn't sure if this was going to be a radio interference post, or John Carpenter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago The dog peeling like a banana was what convinced me.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarix@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children) Links broken or page is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) I think your client isn't handling the markdown correctly. Link without markdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Interesting. No idea what markdown means. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leoj@piefed.social 27 points 5 months ago (1 child) I feel like I had to have heard of this device before, but that article was a fascinating read - thank you! I think people still think of China as a second tier sometimes, but from what I have seen their technology is likely at least equal to ours, and I would imagine the West and China both surpass each other in different technological categories. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] billy@piefed.zip 15 points 5 months ago Lol China is far superior to our tech. They get to manufacture everything we design. Then get to ponder on improvements. Not to mention their "students" in all our universities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billy@piefed.zip 15 points 5 months ago Lol China is far superior to our tech. They get to manufacture everything we design. Then get to ponder on improvements. Not to mention their "students" in all our universities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) I wasn't sure if this was going to be a radio interference post, or John Carpenter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago The dog peeling like a banana was what convinced me.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago The dog peeling like a banana was what convinced me.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children) Links broken or page is broken permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) I think your client isn't handling the markdown correctly. Link without markdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Interesting. No idea what markdown means. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] egrets@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) I think your client isn't handling the markdown correctly. Link without markdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Interesting. No idea what markdown means. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago Interesting. No idea what markdown means. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 child) By "the FBI scanned", they probably mean "We told Kash Patel that there was a six pack of Miller hidden somewhere in the plane and let him have at it." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] leoj@piefed.social 15 points 5 months ago Right? I was like "Faith in the FBI? Someone didn't watch the Mens Hockey gold medal match..." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leoj@piefed.social 15 points 5 months ago Right? I was like "Faith in the FBI? Someone didn't watch the Mens Hockey gold medal match..." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 10 points 5 months ago A jet has multiple integrated digital systems meaning it would be super easy to hide things within the wiring or on circuit boards, which is exactly what security professionals said when they accepted the plane - it could never be made truly safe without being gutted - but they didn't listen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 121 points 5 months ago* (15 children) The FBI missed a passive bug that hung in the office of the US ambassador to Russia for 7 years. Don't count them out yet Fascinating stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago This is the idea that inspired RFID. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Casterial@lemmy.world -51 points 5 months ago (13 children) This is old ASF, if you don't think we can't detect these then 😂😂😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children) Do you know what 'passive' means? It's a basically a mirror for a specific frequency. There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The fact that it was made with 1960's Soviet analog tech should tell you that China could plausibly make something better and smaller now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* It would certainly be detectable. You could do an X-ray, sweep the RF spectrum and see the energy disappear at the right frequency, things like that. They had that tech in the 60s too. Also when the bug was in operation it was definitely not passive. It was being fed by what must have been a really strong signal to power it, and transmitted the results back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The Wikipedia article describes how they detected it at the time, with two different mathods. It was first stumbled onto accidentally then there was a focused attempt to pinpoint the source which was successful. Now that technique can be used any time a thorough check is required. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (9 children) tech is tech. if it’s able to not be detected then it’s able to be not detected now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) Why do you think it works like that? They know what it is and how it works, so they know what to look for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flandish@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago i’m saying they grow at the same rate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who "they"? Security services are not the hive, It's not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can't be planted? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Casterial@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (3 children) This is assuming one country is lagging behind their advancements. Most countries are finally catching up to our tech made in the 90s my dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries. If anything, we're lagging behind them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago This is the idea that inspired RFID. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Casterial@lemmy.world -51 points 5 months ago (13 children) This is old ASF, if you don't think we can't detect these then 😂😂😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children) Do you know what 'passive' means? It's a basically a mirror for a specific frequency. There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The fact that it was made with 1960's Soviet analog tech should tell you that China could plausibly make something better and smaller now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* It would certainly be detectable. You could do an X-ray, sweep the RF spectrum and see the energy disappear at the right frequency, things like that. They had that tech in the 60s too. Also when the bug was in operation it was definitely not passive. It was being fed by what must have been a really strong signal to power it, and transmitted the results back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The Wikipedia article describes how they detected it at the time, with two different mathods. It was first stumbled onto accidentally then there was a focused attempt to pinpoint the source which was successful. Now that technique can be used any time a thorough check is required. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (9 children) tech is tech. if it’s able to not be detected then it’s able to be not detected now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) Why do you think it works like that? They know what it is and how it works, so they know what to look for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flandish@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago i’m saying they grow at the same rate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who "they"? Security services are not the hive, It's not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can't be planted? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Casterial@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (3 children) This is assuming one country is lagging behind their advancements. Most countries are finally catching up to our tech made in the 90s my dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries. If anything, we're lagging behind them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children) Do you know what 'passive' means? It's a basically a mirror for a specific frequency. There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The fact that it was made with 1960's Soviet analog tech should tell you that China could plausibly make something better and smaller now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* It would certainly be detectable. You could do an X-ray, sweep the RF spectrum and see the energy disappear at the right frequency, things like that. They had that tech in the 60s too. Also when the bug was in operation it was definitely not passive. It was being fed by what must have been a really strong signal to power it, and transmitted the results back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The Wikipedia article describes how they detected it at the time, with two different mathods. It was first stumbled onto accidentally then there was a focused attempt to pinpoint the source which was successful. Now that technique can be used any time a thorough check is required. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* It would certainly be detectable. You could do an X-ray, sweep the RF spectrum and see the energy disappear at the right frequency, things like that. They had that tech in the 60s too. Also when the bug was in operation it was definitely not passive. It was being fed by what must have been a really strong signal to power it, and transmitted the results back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago There's no way to "detect" it other than tearing apart whatever it's hidden in. The Wikipedia article describes how they detected it at the time, with two different mathods. It was first stumbled onto accidentally then there was a focused attempt to pinpoint the source which was successful. Now that technique can be used any time a thorough check is required. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (9 children) tech is tech. if it’s able to not be detected then it’s able to be not detected now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) Why do you think it works like that? They know what it is and how it works, so they know what to look for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flandish@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago i’m saying they grow at the same rate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who "they"? Security services are not the hive, It's not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can't be planted? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Casterial@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (3 children) This is assuming one country is lagging behind their advancements. Most countries are finally catching up to our tech made in the 90s my dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries. If anything, we're lagging behind them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -8 points 5 months ago (4 children) Why do you think it works like that? They know what it is and how it works, so they know what to look for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flandish@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago i’m saying they grow at the same rate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who "they"? Security services are not the hive, It's not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can't be planted? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago i’m saying they grow at the same rate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Who "they"? Security services are not the hive, It's not like everyone knows everything pr never misses anything. Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology and suddenly 100% bugs across the country are found and new bugs can't be planted? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 months ago Or do you think it's like a game where you unlock the "passive listening device countermeasures" technology Kinda, yes. Now that everyone knows how it works, and they will, because intelligence agencies share this stuff with their allies, it would become a lot harder to pull the same trick again. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 1 point 5 months ago Modern version would be a silicon device not using any metal, that has a very low power mechanism (perhaps mechanical/chemical) that wakes it up much later where it then works as a bug. For example. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Casterial@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (3 children) This is assuming one country is lagging behind their advancements. Most countries are finally catching up to our tech made in the 90s my dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries. If anything, we're lagging behind them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 child) I'm not gonna quibble with the details of that wild exaggeration, but I hope we can agree China is absolutely not one of those countries. If anything, we're lagging behind them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Casterial@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* Sure, in terms of infrastructure. Their military is still playing catch up and Venezuela and Iran both used Chinese defense tech. China is good at reverse engineering - it's what they do, but temu tech isn't the same as the original. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago or it assumes they advance at the same rate. that’s my entire point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Yeah but this is the fbi right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] savvie@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago Kra$h, Patel! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago Like that's enough lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago …and secret whiskey stashes… 👀 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago Don’t threaten me with a good time. permalink fedilink source parent