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[–] 179 points 6 months ago (85 children)

Many believe Harris lost in 2024 because voters viewed her as too progressive, and that Ocasio-Cortez could face the same problem.

Who’s this “many”? Kamala lost because of her Joe Biden neolib policies, her hard heel-turn to the right, and her “nothing will change, we are the most lethal military” stance on the Middle East.

Instead of reassuring the masses who she thought were a shoe-in, she tried to appease the “I’ll never vote for a black woman” crowd, which alienated the former and would never have worked on the latter.

It was either the greatest miscalculation ever, lead by Third Way focus groups, or someone tugged the leash. Either way, with the GOP rat fucking that was almost certainly happening to some degree.

Pretty shitty of Newsweek to pretend that progressive policies are unpopular with a majority of Americans.

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  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Personally, I think it is because there was no Democratic Party primary. Biden stole the time that any potential candidate could have used to prove their mettle to voters.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    She came out look ling like Darth vader in one of the televised things she did and did the war hawk dance. Fuck off forever, you lost to Donald Fucking Trump after spending 1.5 billion.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago

    The polls say otherwise. She was leading after her announcement, when she was still talking about healthcare reform, economic justice, taxing the rich, etc. For about three weeks.

    Then she talked to her business rep corpo brother, and shifted gear to espousing pro-corporate policy, defending the wealthy, calling leftists Bernie bros, etc, and fell behind.

    I agree that Palestine made little difference, btw. It cost her around half a million votes, but she lost by three times that. That's looking at state by state, too.

    She lost because she turned herself into Biden 2, instead of what people wanted her to be, which was Obama (until he became President. He lied very well, then governed well enough that we forgave him for being friends with the corps).

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Women won senate races in three of the swing states she lost and a Hispanic man won a fourth. It's hard to imagine an explanation more out of line with actual evidence.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's possible that it she was a white man, and absolutely nothing else was different, that she very well might have just barely eeked out a victory. That's still a failure. It should have been a blowout. It was a failure of a campaign, racism and sexism against the candidate by the general public was a component, but the least relevant one.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah. Her argument was that she was Joe Biden, but younger and more diverse. But Joe Biden was LOSING. Even before his debate performance. And he only barely won in 2020, which also should have been a blowout.

    It's not the blackness or the femaleness, it's doubling down on shitty uninspiring politics. An old white male Joe Biden was going to lose even worse than the middle aged black female Joe Biden.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that's not true.

    But if it was, then you need to be asking why, in an election they claimed was existential, the Democratic Party anointed a black woman to run as their candidate against Trump.

    Because that's the conclusion of the excuse you're making - that the Democrats can only nominate men, or they're choosing to lose.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    No no, that's the trap of their narrative. "The Democrats are always just bending over backwards trying to promote minority candidates even when the deck is stacked against them, because they're just such true believers in progressive ideals."

    The reality is, by playing up the "progressiveness" of a candidate's inherent characteristics, they can be quietly used as a vehicle for conservative policies that make their donors happy. This is a strategy that's very played out around the world, even Pakistan once had their own version of Margaret Thatcher, and Japan just go theirs recently.

    From the perspective that progressive politics are completely off the table, picking a minority candidate was a tactically reasonable choice. A candidate's race and gender are about the only "concessions" they could give to the left, while courting their donors.

    But the problem with that is that second-wave feminism, the kind that tends to see Thatcherites as a win, never caught on in the US like it did in the UK, and third-wave, which is more popular these days, accounts for that failure and focuses more on systemic issues and policy than individual leaders.

    But any strategy that might work to get progressives to bend the knee to neoliberalism will be tried again and again, and if it fails they'll just chalk it up to sexism or whatever other bullshit.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    A THIRD of people, only slightly smaller than the third that voted for Trump, voted for Harris based on the fact that she WASN'T TRUMP. Another third didn't vote because they felt her stance on Israel wasn't enough to offset that she wasn't Trump. I don't feel it had anything to do with her race or gender.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    In fairness to Newsweek, based on the sentence before this, I think they mean, "many in the party establishment," not, "many people in general."

    She brings significant energy to the primary among younger voters, but some in the Democratic Party establishment believe her progressive policies could alienate swing voters in the general election. Many believe Harris lost in 2024...

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    DNC has already shown they aren’t taking that as the lesson learnt. They won’t even release the 2024 autopsy cause they don’t like what it says

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It was obvious the party was cooked in 2018 - when, in response to regaining power after losing in a great upset to an insane game show host, they kept the exact same leadership.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty sure it was the opposite. I still voted for her cause Trump was worse. But I felt then like I do now. She's a Republican. Her policies are conservative and Republican.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Essentially, she showed herself as who she truly is: an establishment Democrat more intent on maintaining the status quo instead of listening to the left and helping push the party further towards progressive policies and reshaping the party into something that represents the modern constituency.

    Yeah that.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Well, it's pretty obvious that running for the Liz Cheney voter did not work.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Again, looking at the 2024 race, it is obvious it did not work. Because she lost. And badly.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Having seen it with Gore, Kerry, Obama (post win), Clinton, and now Harris, it's not a single mistake. The Dems would always prefer to lose to the right than win to the left.

    Biden had COVID, so it's just outside the norm.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    they do this every time though. The centrists fail, so obviously the answer is more centrism.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    More centrism to the right, of course, never to the left.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If you're not going to change direction, the speed at which you're moving right isn't really important. You're getting there anyways.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I remember during the Trump/Harris debate when Israel came up and they both took turns declaring they could suck off Israel harder than their opponent.

    I do not consider Harris a progressive.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    She literally campaigned with Liz Cheney. Too progressive? Lmao no one believes that shit except brainwashed magats.

    Crazy how every rag shifts between blaming gaza voters for her loss while simultaneously claiming Harris was "too progressive".

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, she did support the genocide. Which murdered tens of thousands of Palestinian children. What is your point?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Since you mentioned the name, I did notice quite obviously the disrespect everyone had toward Kamala Harris in the news and online comments simply due what they called her.

    Almost everywhere, it was quite common for people to refer to her as Kamala and not Harris.

    I suspect it was either due to her being a woman, or due to her being Indian (Kamala sounds a lot more foreign than Harris).

    It was always "Kamala vs Trump" never Harris vs Trump or Kamala vs Donald.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Almost everywhere, it was quite common for people to refer to her as Kamala and not Harris.

    Because that's the more unique and thus memorable part of her name. Just like "Bernie" is more memorable than "Sanders".

    It wasn't a sign of disrespect, sexism, or othering to call Bernie by his first name, and it wasn't in the case of Kamala Harris either.

    Anyone who says otherwise is likely grasping at straws to explain away the fact that it was mostly her policy positions and allegiance to Biden, corporations, and Israel over the people she was SUPPOSED to represent that lost her the election rather than bigotry.

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