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[–] 106 points 6 months ago (32 children)

I have a 2023 Honda Passport, and when the Collision Assist Warning (or whatever the hell it's called) is active, when it thinks you should apply the brakes it flashes "BRAKE" in big red letters right in the middle of the dashboard. It's incredibly distracting, and almost guarantees I'll be looking at IT rather than whatever I should be braking for.

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  • [–] 58 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    My favorite part of my honda accord is when I try to avoid an obstacle on the road and the lane keep assist system decides to take control of my steering wheel and jerk me in the obstacle's direction.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's why I turn lane assist off, it kept jerking me back when taking exit ramps because the painted lines were inconsistent and it gave so many false positives.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    In any situation I find myself driving a car with that system, I always disable it before setting off. Several instances like that in my own experience just proved that it can never be trusted, even to just leave things alone when they need to be.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I now have a car with that system after having an old dumb car for the preceding 20+ yrs of driving, and I keep it off by default, and turn it on only when I know I’ll be slightly distracted for a few minutes.

    It was just too difficult to get used to, and frankly it was so sensitive to where it was that just being near the edge of the road, where I like to ride to give other drivers as much space as possible because I don't trust them, set it off and it fought against me constantly, causing far more swerving than I’d otherwise do.. it’s also a giant asshole about country driving, where lane markers only apply when theres other cars around.

    I could see it being useful for new drivers who never had to learn to do fully manual driving, though, the same way power steering was a useful change that was difficult to adjust to for those who learned without it.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    Do you flick the turn signal? My Kia doesn't cause me any problems if I do it before actually turning in that direction

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    This is what I see in this post. I have not been driving tons of modern cars, but I did drive a dozen or so with this feature. Never had any issues with this.

    Firstly - using blinker disables lane assist. Anyone mentioning "I use exit line and it doesn't let me" had outed themselves as BMW drivers/not using blinker when needed. "Avoiding debris" - yeah, sure... Keep distance, watch the road, glance at the mirrors to be aware of everything around you, and certainly do no speedup.

    Secondly - this may vary to each brand/model but for the ones I drove it only just slightly makes it harder to leave the lane. Using bit more strength would still lead you to leave the lane. Kind of similar to a car without a power steering. Doubt that safety standards would let wheel lock you in the lane while changing lanes without a blinker.

    Other than that, technically these features are nice-to-haves and are not a necessity. Not being able to turn them off is quite a PITA, I agree.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Ah yes, using the turn signal is the first thing I think of when avoiding road debris.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Correct: if you see an obstacle and have to do something, swerving without signals is dangerous. Braking is the first maneuver you think of, if you are out of time to decide.
    And flicking a turn signal (if you do it every time you turn) takes milliseconds and comes naturally.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    Depends on whether you have milliseconds available when surprised by something the car before you swerved around. I like keeping my hands on the wheel when steering suddenly.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    If that happens, you're following too closely.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Unless something falls onto the road right in front of you, and you have to guess whether it will roll or move and which way you might want to go which takes time even with plenty of following distance. If I'm guessing which way I might need to go to avoid an object in front of me signaling is the least important thing. People behind me can slow down when I slam on the brakes and start swerving.

    Apparently everyone things all debris in the road is stationary. Stopping distance between the car in front is based on it slowing down over a distance as opposed to stationary or relatively stationary debris which is a lot less distance.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    For the most part maintaining a safe following distance, and not driving too fast for conditions will prevent 99.9% of such incidents, but I do agree that in the rare occasions when reactions times are at a premium such as a branch falling on the road right in front of you, or an animal darting out of some bushes, indicators should be less of a priority than braking/evading. Violently swerving is almost always a bad idea without shedding as much speed as you can first, though, and even then it's probably better to just hit the object, unless it's a child, rather than risk a roll-over.

    That's not what you said though. You said 'something the car before you swerved around'.

    Edit: Yeah, your downvote just tells me you're a shit driver.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    That’s not what you said though. You said ‘something the car before you swerved around’.

    At highway speeds a car three seconds ahead swerving around something is basically the same thing as a branch falling right in front of your car because a safe distance to a moving vehicle is different than a safe distance to a stationary object. The down vote is because you don't understand driving.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    At highway speeds a car three seconds ahead swerving around something is basically the same thing as a branch falling right in front of your car

    No. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever read,

    you don't understand driving.

    Better than you do, champ.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe learn the old addage "3 car length minimum between you and the person in front of you"

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe learn to read?

    You can be at a safe following distance for traffic, and have debris in the road that isn't stationary that takes a second or two to judge where it is going while braking and still needing to swerve because it is approaching faster than a hard braking car. Like stuff that falls off a construction vehicle and the car in front of you swerved around. There was plenty of time to brake if they stopped short, but this isn't the same thing.

    Guess I could signal the moment I swerved but not sure how that is going to be helpful to anyone behind me to tell them what I am already doing.

    Also, three car lengths isn't nearly far enough in slow traffic, and deadly on highways.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I do know how to read, you're the only one taking the example that is least likely to ever occur and pretending it's the only thing that could occur.

    Use your damn blinkers dude.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I am using the one example where signaling is both difficult and pointless because swerving is a bigger visual signal than a blinker. That doesn't mean I am dismissing all of the other situations where signaling is the right thing to do or that I don't use a signal.

    Would you be digging in your heels as much if I said signaling wasn't important when swerving around someone pulling into your lane or turning in front of you?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Cars should have a universal "I'm the captain" button, that shuts off all automated & assist shit, and leaves it to the human. The amount of times I've rented a car and it's screaming at me every 30 seconds about something is just distracting and dangerous.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Kias beep when you turn without signals, but you still can do that. And if you're on adaptive cruise and you break, it just turns it off. So it doesn't dorce you to turn, not turn, or to keep going if you break. And it saved me already - I was angry on my gps and didn't watch the road for 20 seconds. the highway started turning quicte sharply, the car beeped and yanked the steering wheel to the left so to keep me from running into the guard on the side.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    this is why I won't buy a newer car. it's so goddamn distracting and dangerous. not to mention pretty much all new cars have LED headlights and I'd rather not be a threat to everybody else on the road

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Worse is auto LED headlight smart dimming. It tries to brighten on dark stretches and dim when it thinks there are oncoming cars. It will never let your eyes get accustomed to night driving. Too many reflective curve\turn signs like these...

    And it will dim to its lowest legal setting thinking, "lots of cars!", leaving you to complete the datk curve with a, "oh sh🤬 did my headlight just burn out?!" feeling.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Jesus. From this thread, it sounds like driving a modern-made car means having an anxious back-seat driver that you can't kick out constantly trying to mess with your settings and telling you you're driving wrong.

    It reminds me to take good care of my 10+ year old car...

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Don't worry, it's all bullshit. Kia Ceen SW '22:

    • keeps you in lane, but if you try to sharply turn, it will let you, you will feel a bit of resistance, but barely on a "notice it's against it" level. If you turn the blinker on, zero resistance.
    • there is an auto near-far lights system, but it's disabled by default, I only turn it on when he road constantly switches between villages and dark highway, and it does it's job well
    • it has adaptive cruise control so it holds the distance automatically. It is super awesome during long trips, because you just control what it does, and don't have to hit the brakes whenever some asshole swerves in front of you (because you keep a good distance, right?:) )
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