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[–] 57 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (34 children)

Let me know when they'll do a fundraiser for Ukraine...

Edit: the tankies are here to brigade this thread... someone lit the fires of hexbear lol

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Ukraine is still beating Russia back even after Trump cut their funding. Palestinians are the most defenseless people on Earth.

    What the hell kind of point are you even trying to make here?

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 6 months ago* (29 children)
  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don't think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

    That's not the point, it's great they're doing something good but they spread intolerance via propaganda from authoritarian countries.

    In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don't want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don't want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government's policy without hating on Iranian people.

    You must be blind then, because.ml and hexbear are both massive voices on Ukraine being filled with Nazis and it should be wiped out and returned to russia. The only reason they hate what Israel is doing is because Israel is backed by the west, which they hate.

    Would you be here saying how great it is for a white supremacists group raising funds for something? Probably not.

    Tolerance of the intolerant must not be allowed.

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  • [+] [S] -16 points 6 months ago* (20 children)
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    https://hexbear.net/post/253926

    I dunno what instance you think I'm talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:

    "(but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia's invasion had anything to do with that really)."

    Is not pro Ukrainian, it's russian propaganda.

    You might need to check and see if the hexbear I'm talking about is the same one you are thinking of.

    I'm not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    https://hexbear.net/post/228858

    Good, fuck Ukraine and their victim bullshit, the entire USSR was affected by the Soviet Famine of the 1930s, and relative to their population it wasn't even the Ukrainians, but the people of Kazakhstan that lost the most people, yet you never hear them be this fucking obnoxious and claim they were "genocided". The "Holodomor" was not a genocide, it's Nazi propaganda.

    You're blind if you think they're pro-ukrainian there.

    It takes 2 seconds to find shit like this all over hexbear.

    Hexbear is trash and a stain on the fediverse. They give it a bad name and is why the mass majority of instances have defederated from them.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (16 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Sure thing...you keep spewing that russian propaganda...

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  • [+] [S] -2 points 6 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I provided links and users...and you denied it....

    Hell their is even a user in this comment that's saying Zelenskyy is a Zionist but also that Ukraine is filled with Nazis...make that one work.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    You made claims you didn't back up and moved the goal posts twice, and finally resolved to calling them a tankie.

    You're "pro Ukraine" in the same way Zionists are "pro Israel", they cannot do wrong and they cannot be criticized. Anyone who criticizes Ukraine is a Russian tankie bot.

    Ukraine does have a Nazi history and a Nazi problem, and that's separate from and not a defense of Russia or Putin, and rejecting it as tankie logic simply because Putin used it as a talking point is intellectually dishonest.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

    And Zelenski is an unapologetic genocide supporting Zionist, why would anyone collecting funds for victims of Israeli genocide also collect funds for its cheerleaders.

    We can accept that Russia is wrong and Putin is evil and the war on Ukraine is bad without sanctifying Ukraine and pretending it has no problems.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    He must have posted over on his hexbear account.

    Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis...and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist...tankies gonna tank I guess.

    Another one added to the tag group.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Jesus Christ you're hopeless.

    I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you're right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.

    And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is... I don't even know how to label that, you're just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE".

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So does russia also have a nazi problem then? Where they allied with hitler? Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

    And if I can remember correctly....jews aren't exactly fans of nazis...or are you one of those Holocaust deniers as well?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

    I have not once defended Russia or their war on Ukraine, I simply said Ukraine is not perfect, and that it's really stupid to keep calling people tankies simply for criticizing it.

    So does russia also have a nazi problem then?

    Not particularly. Russia/the RSFSR is generally understood as a major victim of Nazi Germany, even though some Russians did collaborate. That is different from saying Russia had the same kind of widespread Nazi collaboration problem seen in some other occupied regions.

    https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/2015

    Where they allied with hitler?

    The USSR was, temporarily. The Nazi-Soviet pact in 1939 was a real agreement, and it helped enable the joint destruction of Poland. But that does not erase the fact that the RSFSR was later invaded by Nazi Germany and suffered enormously, including over 119,000 Jewish victims in the occupied parts of Soviet Russia. So no, “Russians suffered under Nazism” and “the USSR collaborated with Hitler before 1941” are both true.

    Is it tankie shit to read history books? The Red Army liberated Auschwitz!

    You calling me a tankie doesn't change facts or history. Russia invading Ukraine is bad.

    Historically, there was substantial Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazi occupation, including the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which Yad Vashem says assisted German forces in anti-Jewish operations and other repressive actions, while the Holocaust in Ukraine was one of the main killing grounds of the entire genocide.

    FSR was mainly on the receiving end of Nazi occupation and mass murder. Ukraine, by contrast, was not only a major killing ground of the Holocaust but also saw meaningful local collaboration, and it still has a real far-right problem today. Freedom House has explicitly described far-right extremism in Ukraine as a threat to Ukrainian democracy and documented violent intimidation by right-wing radical groups.

    That doesn’t make all Ukrainians Nazis; it just means the history and the present are uglier than the usual clean nationalist story. And calling people tankies for criticizing Ukraine or Zelenski is really, really, stupid.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews)

    You mean 'The Ukraine', as in, a member state of the USSR as it existed at that time, and not 'Ukraine' a sovereign country, which it has been since 1991.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Because changing the country magically erases its crimes and changes the racism and hatred in its people?

    Yeah... And Russia is no longer in the USSR, all good there, nothing to see. New country new history.

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    They're horrible because they disagree with the amount of Nazis in Ukraine?

    What percentage of Nazis in Ukraine would you consider "tolerant", when does the switch flip from "tolerant" to "intolerant"?

    Everyone gets called Nazis, sitting at a table with Nazis makes you a Nazi, and so on.

    but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really

    propaganda doesn't make it wrong. They DO genuinely have a Nazi problem, see far-right Azov movement. Would you agree that is a problem? Or do you assert that is fake, and the movement never happened or something?

    https://www.theleftchapter.com/post/total-militarization-the-azov-movement-is-colonizing-ukrainian-society-with-neo-nazi-war-ideology

    Is "the left chapter" and hundreds of other sources all Russian propaganda? there is a ton of information online, all fake?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So then everyone has a nazi problem and russia should just be invading everyone...if you haven't picked up yet...there are a lot of right wing movements out there. Guess Russia should start bombing civilians in other countries then.

    Guess they should start in their own backyard though.

    https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Why everyone?

    Wouldn't it be reasonable for Ukraine not to have Nazi military brigades? Is that a bridge too far for you, a Ukrainian?

    Isn't that an official arm of your government? Are they right wing nationalists or not? I've seen them wear SS badges on many occasions, is that AI or fake? You would know better than I.

    I agree, Russia should start in their own backyard, as should all nations. I am against all Nazis and far-right nationalists, in every country, and against armed invasion (like USA's Iran war and Russia's invasion).

    So... you still have a Nazi problem, and in your armed forces no less... do you agree? Or are they not a problem for you? Or are they fake news?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    First I'm not Ukrainian. I have family there but I don't live there or claim that I am Ukrainian. Secondly having groups like that exists everywhere, it doesn't magically give a country a reason to invade and kill civilians. Or do you think that's ok because a group existed?

    The Azov regiment had a past, but that's no longer the case. It hasn't been that way for more than a decade now. In fact, they didn't even pull 2% of the votes. AfD pulls way more than that and has an actual voice in Germany, why isn't France marching into Germany and de-nazifying them?

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220325-azov-regiment-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war

    So I'll ask again, do you think that a country should be invaded and it's civilians targeted and killed because there are white supremacists/kkk/neonazis/racist/etc. In the military ranks?

    All countries have far right shit heels, it's not going to magically go away, and probably will never go away, but it doesn't give another country the right to invade and kill civilians.

    You're just repeating russian propaganda.

    PS...you tankies need to stick with .ml or something, jumping to other instances gets annoying having to tag you when you show up.

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