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[–] 33 points 7 months ago (19 children)
  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    actually tho, flowing windy streets and roads are so much better.

    • more interesting
    • less of a drag track
    • not depressing stroadie strips
    • keeps people on main roads rather than just trying to cut through residential streets
    • naturally manages driver attention
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yes to all, especially the driver attention one.

    I have two options when driving to work. One is shorter and takes straight level roads through the newest part of town.

    The other way is slightly longer but it's a twisty hilly road through the countryside.

    I take the longer route every single day unless it is actively snowing or something. And now that hybrid WFH is a common thing, I don't often drive in the snow.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, you can organise grids to be more or less stroady, and if you have too much of this going - like you have a medieval street plan - you can get the opposite thing where cars are forced through areas only suited to pedestrians, and everyone has to flatten themselves against building walls to make room.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    but the point is that by not organizing it into a grid at the local level, drivers aren't going to cut through a low speed local street, keeping those streets less polluted and safer.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I mean, there's more options than just tree or grid, and if it's not strictly a tree the fastest route from A to B could be something small again. And of course trees have their own issues, like what happens if you need to get from one leaf to another that's nearby, but only "as the crow flies".

    That example about having to move aside for a car going through a narrow European street is something I've actually experienced. Maybe it's just my Canadian brain but it feels unsafe.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Boston looks much easier to navigate though. Much clearer road hierarchy, meaning better flowing traffic, and less traffic near houses and shops.

    Disclaimer: above statement is based on the image posted here, not on knowledge on the actual situation.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Where I'm from cities like Boston are the norm. When I was in a grid city for the first time, I immediately got lost on the roads because everything just looks the same.

    On the other hand, Americans seem to have a more intuitive sense of the cardinal directions than Europeans do from my experience. Which makes sense if you're used to roads aligned with them.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    As someone who drives through Boston often: it's the worst-planned city I've ever seen. I am fairly convinced that the underground tunnel system is actually creating an eldritch sigil of chaos (a la Good Omens), and it is not uncommon to encounter a seven-way intersection, where two of those ways are train lines, but aren't marked, so at night, you can accidentally find yourself on train tracks. It's like if someone bargained with the Fey to make a city.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I am familiar with Boston, and the 2 times I have driven in nyc it was SIGNIFICANTLY easier to navigate than Boston lol. NYC was at least partially thought out, Boston is what you get when your road planner is a 3 year old toddler who threw a hand full of spaghetti on a map and said theres your streets LOL. Possibly the most annoying city I have had the misfortune of navigating lol.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Welcome to everywhere else in the world that's not a fucking grid lol.
    This isnt a computer where traces are made in 90 and 45° angles.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    There weren't computers when NYC's grid was laid out either.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    And the ancient Romans, and Indus valley people another couple millennia earlier were both fond of grid plans.

    They're considered passe, but there's real advantage in terms of easy scalability and adaptability to changing land uses.

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