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[+] 18 points 7 months ago (25 children)
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    Obviously not, that would be something very very different than what they've done.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    What they've done, is in the user info field (which already has a ton of information that almost nobody ever fills out) they added a date of birth field. They do not control what it's used for, who's going to use it, or if the user will ever bother filling it out. Perhaps nobody will ever implement a use for it, it's really nothing.

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  • [+] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    What? It's like saying systemd is handing the government your info because they have a field for your real name and address.

    YOU control what info goes there, if any. It mandates NOTHING.

    You may as well be mad at vim because your text editor is capable of storing your birthdate if you go in and type it and save it to /public/myInfo.txt

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  • [+] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field.

    Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!"

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    they’ve said “we speak for the widest used extended user service in linux”… because… that’s what they are

    to say they “speak for the distros” is ridiculous: in that case, every time they merge a feature they “speak for the distros”… they speak for their own software, which is implemented by distros precisely because they implement things like this

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    you install a distro because of all the software it includes and how they interact out of the box

    you’re completely right that systemd is a background service that most people don’t care about, but it does make the whole system more reliable, and much easier to administer for servers or workstations (enterprise management; not personal)

    you certainly do want an init system… even sysv-init is an init system: you need something that runs as pid 1 that triggers other services. systemd starts services, and also ensures they’re in the correct security contexts, running as the correct users, makes sure they’re healthy, tracks dependencies (not just order; this speeds things up because it can be parallel, ensures failures don’t cascade, and means there’s far less jank in random bash scripts)

    this isn’t a big political statement: this is an acknowledgment that linux users - not all, but some - will want/require something like this… and systemd user database is the place where that information is stored on modern linux systems

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Will you still say that when aliens from the 19th Dimension verify your age rectally?

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  • [+] 7 points 7 months ago (9 children)
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    It's saying that you can invent an infinite number of hypothetical futures but they are not useful for making decisions in the here and now

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    But this is just speculation. The fact is, systemd introduced a new optional field in the local database. They don't publish an OS so they have no obligation to do anything more, actual implementation would have to happen in other projects.

    What this is, is a spite-fork by some random AI researcher and anybody installing that on their system has way larger problems here and now than hypothetical ID verification in the maybe future.

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  • [+] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    the vast majority of Linux users vehemently reject?

    I think you vastly over estimate the importance of the reddit/lemmy-sphere freaking out over this.

    And the more insane the slippery slopes you imagine skiing down, the less seriously you're taken. The fact that there isn't a serious programmer making a fork and instead y'all promoted a slopfork from someone who didn't read the docs, should be a wakeup call for how unserious y'all are.

    If it's the vast majority of Linux users, how come there was not one that's read the systemd docs?

    I honestly don't care that much about the law eitherway but the hyperventilating over a milktoast law is something else, it makes me think maybe we should age gate higher.

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  • [+] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    I don’t. The people I know in real life don’t take lightly to the changes.

    Yeah because they likely got misinformation about it from you, and nodded along because Alien rectal probes sound bad.

    With ID verification and other methods of age verification you absolutely can unmask users online if states demand APIs be implemented.

    Good thing there is no ID verification in the PR.

    You sound like a narc btw!

    You sound like Alex Jones!

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