▲ 628 ▼ Someone Forked Systemd to Strip Out Its Age Verification Support (itsfoss.com) submitted 7 months ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 182 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 12 points 7 months ago* (5 children) What they've done, is in the user info field (which already has a ton of information that almost nobody ever fills out) they added a date of birth field. They do not control what it's used for, who's going to use it, or if the user will ever bother filling it out. Perhaps nobody will ever implement a use for it, it's really nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) What? It's like saying systemd is handing the government your info because they have a field for your real name and address. YOU control what info goes there, if any. It mandates NOTHING. You may as well be mad at vim because your text editor is capable of storing your birthdate if you go in and type it and save it to /public/myInfo.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field. Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) they’ve said “we speak for the widest used extended user service in linux”… because… that’s what they are to say they “speak for the distros” is ridiculous: in that case, every time they merge a feature they “speak for the distros”… they speak for their own software, which is implemented by distros precisely because they implement things like this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago you install a distro because of all the software it includes and how they interact out of the box you’re completely right that systemd is a background service that most people don’t care about, but it does make the whole system more reliable, and much easier to administer for servers or workstations (enterprise management; not personal) you certainly do want an init system… even sysv-init is an init system: you need something that runs as pid 1 that triggers other services. systemd starts services, and also ensures they’re in the correct security contexts, running as the correct users, makes sure they’re healthy, tracks dependencies (not just order; this speeds things up because it can be parallel, ensures failures don’t cascade, and means there’s far less jank in random bash scripts) this isn’t a big political statement: this is an acknowledgment that linux users - not all, but some - will want/require something like this… and systemd user database is the place where that information is stored on modern linux systems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 12 points 7 months ago* (5 children) What they've done, is in the user info field (which already has a ton of information that almost nobody ever fills out) they added a date of birth field. They do not control what it's used for, who's going to use it, or if the user will ever bother filling it out. Perhaps nobody will ever implement a use for it, it's really nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) What? It's like saying systemd is handing the government your info because they have a field for your real name and address. YOU control what info goes there, if any. It mandates NOTHING. You may as well be mad at vim because your text editor is capable of storing your birthdate if you go in and type it and save it to /public/myInfo.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field. Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) What? It's like saying systemd is handing the government your info because they have a field for your real name and address. YOU control what info goes there, if any. It mandates NOTHING. You may as well be mad at vim because your text editor is capable of storing your birthdate if you go in and type it and save it to /public/myInfo.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field. Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) What? It's like saying systemd is handing the government your info because they have a field for your real name and address. YOU control what info goes there, if any. It mandates NOTHING. You may as well be mad at vim because your text editor is capable of storing your birthdate if you go in and type it and save it to /public/myInfo.txt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field. Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field. Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) This is pretty key. If they had added this field 8 years ago, absent any context of swarms of lawmakers salivating for personal info so they can find more children to fuck, or data to sell to their donors, then I wouldn't have thought much of it. The timing is absolutely a critical element of the discussion. Heck, wait until CA has repealed its law, and admitted in embarrassment it was a terrible implementation of child protection, and maybe I'd even be okay with adding the field. Putting it in now is very much like the nazi standing at your door, holding a hand close to your knob, insisting "I'm not actually searching your house and breaking your 4th amendment rights! I'm just standing here, for no particular reason!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago (2 children) they’ve said “we speak for the widest used extended user service in linux”… because… that’s what they are to say they “speak for the distros” is ridiculous: in that case, every time they merge a feature they “speak for the distros”… they speak for their own software, which is implemented by distros precisely because they implement things like this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago you install a distro because of all the software it includes and how they interact out of the box you’re completely right that systemd is a background service that most people don’t care about, but it does make the whole system more reliable, and much easier to administer for servers or workstations (enterprise management; not personal) you certainly do want an init system… even sysv-init is an init system: you need something that runs as pid 1 that triggers other services. systemd starts services, and also ensures they’re in the correct security contexts, running as the correct users, makes sure they’re healthy, tracks dependencies (not just order; this speeds things up because it can be parallel, ensures failures don’t cascade, and means there’s far less jank in random bash scripts) this isn’t a big political statement: this is an acknowledgment that linux users - not all, but some - will want/require something like this… and systemd user database is the place where that information is stored on modern linux systems permalink fedilink source parent
[+] silverneedle@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago you install a distro because of all the software it includes and how they interact out of the box you’re completely right that systemd is a background service that most people don’t care about, but it does make the whole system more reliable, and much easier to administer for servers or workstations (enterprise management; not personal) you certainly do want an init system… even sysv-init is an init system: you need something that runs as pid 1 that triggers other services. systemd starts services, and also ensures they’re in the correct security contexts, running as the correct users, makes sure they’re healthy, tracks dependencies (not just order; this speeds things up because it can be parallel, ensures failures don’t cascade, and means there’s far less jank in random bash scripts) this isn’t a big political statement: this is an acknowledgment that linux users - not all, but some - will want/require something like this… and systemd user database is the place where that information is stored on modern linux systems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 7 months ago you install a distro because of all the software it includes and how they interact out of the box you’re completely right that systemd is a background service that most people don’t care about, but it does make the whole system more reliable, and much easier to administer for servers or workstations (enterprise management; not personal) you certainly do want an init system… even sysv-init is an init system: you need something that runs as pid 1 that triggers other services. systemd starts services, and also ensures they’re in the correct security contexts, running as the correct users, makes sure they’re healthy, tracks dependencies (not just order; this speeds things up because it can be parallel, ensures failures don’t cascade, and means there’s far less jank in random bash scripts) this isn’t a big political statement: this is an acknowledgment that linux users - not all, but some - will want/require something like this… and systemd user database is the place where that information is stored on modern linux systems permalink fedilink source parent