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[–] Cort@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago (14 children)

It's a celery with a 128GB emmc. Even with 16GB of ram it'll be so slow.

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[+] artyom@piefed.social -26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

So pull it out and replace it. A 128GB (like Macs come with) NVMe stick is $50.

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[–] Cort@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Emmc is not nvme. They're not compatible or interchangeable. You'll be limited by the max emmc speeds for storage. It's probably why it comes with an external drive, because they know just how slow the drive is.

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[+] artyom@piefed.social -11 points 8 months ago (11 children)

It has an NVMe slot.

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[–] Cort@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Nope, still wrong. It has an e key m.2 for Wi-Fi.

Put up, or shut up.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago

...no, it has NVMe. Why are you making this up?

Put up, or shut up.

...what am I supposed to "put up", exactly?

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[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

NVME is not a port. M.2 is a port, and there’s lots of versions of it. You can’t put an NVME SSD into all of them.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Which is exactly why I specified "NVMe port" and not M.2

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[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

What in the world is an NVMe port?

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago

What they said

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[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Jesus Christ... would you drop the pedantry? It's childish.

I mean "what is an Ethernet port? Did you mean a RJ-45 port supporting Ethernet?" "What is an ATM machine, did you mean an ATM?"

Don't be that fuckin guy.

I wonder what he could have possibly meant when he said an NVMe port?

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[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago

How in the world is that pedantic? I was genuinely asking. Yes, the reasonable expectation is that a "NVMe port" is an M2 slot but they have already mentioned that it isn't one. So what is it? Your example doesn't make sense either. There's no one here saying that their Ethernet port isn't an RJ-45.

Don't be that fuckin guy.

How about you don't be that guy and read the whole context instead of attacking me about it?

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[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I just checked out the specs, that model does not support NVMe. So yeah, there's that.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

It does. It's not listed in the specs but there are teardown videos that show it. Austin Evans did one and showed this.

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[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago

No, the one Austin tore down was the HP 14 with N4120 processor. The one you posted was the HP stream 14 with n150 processor and that doesn't have a slot for nvme.

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[–] rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Intel celeron N150?

I mean, yeah, technically it's got more ram, but that's literally the only thing going for it. I've got a mini-pc server with that exact CPU. It's good enough for what I need it for, by my wife's 5 generation old M1 Air from 2020 trounces it several times over in terms of speed, even with 8GB.

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[+] artyom@piefed.social -23 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

An N150 w/16GB RAM is gonna be way more useful than a A16 or whatever with 8GB. Most people will never touch the potential power of their processor but they certainly will be doing a bunch of shit simultaneously.

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[+] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Seriously: yep.

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[+] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Yes because your comment was so witty...?

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[–] rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I mean, if that fits your use-case, I'm not gonna tell you not to get it. Plenty of folks just need a machine for scrolling a social media feed, documents, and Youtube.

But anyone who wants more than what amounts to a Chromebook can get it pretty affordably with the low-end macbooks. Effectively tripling your speed for another $200 is definitely worth it for lots of folks, and memory paging is a lot faster than it used to be.

Benchmarks can be hit or miss, but aren't totally useless:

N150: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+N150

Low-end M1 from 2020: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+3200+MHz

And finally, the A19 they're talking about using: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+A19+Pro

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago

These are CPU benchmarks, they don't account for available RAM.

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago (9 children)

here's a whole ass laptop for $360

You’re absolutely right, that is an ass laptop.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Almost as ass as a an irreparable, unupgradeable $700 Macbook with a phone processor and 8GB of RAM.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That Celeron ain't got nothing on any phone processor Apple's made in at least the last half decade lol

I'm not sure the Macbook Neo will make sense, but I know for sure that docked tablet doesn't. They're also ass to repair, performance doesn't exist and the screen belongs in 2008.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

A fancy processor is meaningless without RAM. It's like a Lamborghini rolling on bicycle tires.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 months ago

And RAM is meaningless without a processor to use it. So I'm saying this MacBook Neo is probably kinda shit for its price, but the Stream is for sure not any good.

For the price of the MacBook Neo, the best device to get would actually be a used laptop. Either an Apple Silicon Macbook Air if you can find one with 16 GB, or some kind of a Thinkpad if you want to have more freedom.

Cheap laptops tend to suck, but used laptops in the same price range can be very good.

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Now that the neo has been announced at $499 for students with twice the storage of your example, care to reevaluate the overall value differences?

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago

At $500 it's not a bad value. Could still do better on the used market.

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

You're not wrong about the rest, but I wouldn't be surprised if the processor benchmarks really well.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

The processor isn't the problem. They could've put a fuckin 9850X3D in this thing and it will still run like a turd with 8GB RAM.

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[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago

That's why I commented on you including it in what I could only read as a list of objectionable things.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is already less powerful than an old iPad. My SO is looking for a cheap laptop and this one is one I would tell her to avoid like the plague.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

Power is meaningless without RAM. It's like a Lamborghini rolling on bicycle tires.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

The bottleneck of that laptop is CPU and drive, and with 8 gigs of RAM it would still be. 16GB RAM is the only thing that laptop has going for it.

Honestly, as a Certified Apple Hater I still have no doubts that the laptop with the A18Pro will run circles around the one you showed and will be a better bang for the buck.