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Apple Accidentally Leaks 'MacBook Neo' (www.macrumors.com)
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Apple appears to have prematurely revealed the name of its rumored lower-cost MacBook model, which is expected to be announced this Wednesday. A regulatory document for a "MacBook Neo" (Model A3404) has appeared on Apple's website. Unfortunately, there are no further details or images available yet. While the PDF file does not contain the "MacBook Neo" name, it briefly appeared in a link on Apple's regulatory website for EU compliance purposes.

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[–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

“Accidentally leaked”

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    • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    8GB of RAM. Shocker /s

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    [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Like leaving the iPhone in a bar that time

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    [–] 80 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (88 children)

    I suspect it'll come with 8GB RAM to ensure the price can't justify it's usefulness...

    E: looking up the leaks confirms it's supposed to be 8GB RAM. Imagine selling a PC with 8GB RAM for $700+ in 2026. So insane. I can get a better PC than that for $400.

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  • [–] 89 points 8 months ago (42 children)

    I can get a better PC than that for $400.

    Are you sure? Because at this moment with $400 you only get the RAM.

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  • [+] -15 points 8 months ago* (41 children)

    I'm positive, thanks. 2x8GB CL16 DDR5 RAM currently sells for <$250.

    E: here's a whole ass laptop for $360

    https://www.amazon.com/HP-Stream-BrightView-N4120-Graphics/dp/B0DC6KMWJS/

    And it even has ports and shit

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    It's a celery with a 128GB emmc. Even with 16GB of ram it'll be so slow.

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  • [+] -26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

    So pull it out and replace it. A 128GB (like Macs come with) NVMe stick is $50.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Emmc is not nvme. They're not compatible or interchangeable. You'll be limited by the max emmc speeds for storage. It's probably why it comes with an external drive, because they know just how slow the drive is.

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  • [+] -11 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    It has an NVMe slot.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    NVME is not a port. M.2 is a port, and there’s lots of versions of it. You can’t put an NVME SSD into all of them.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Which is exactly why I specified "NVMe port" and not M.2

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    What in the world is an NVMe port?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Jesus Christ... would you drop the pedantry? It's childish.

    I mean "what is an Ethernet port? Did you mean a RJ-45 port supporting Ethernet?" "What is an ATM machine, did you mean an ATM?"

    Don't be that fuckin guy.

    I wonder what he could have possibly meant when he said an NVMe port?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    How in the world is that pedantic? I was genuinely asking. Yes, the reasonable expectation is that a "NVMe port" is an M2 slot but they have already mentioned that it isn't one. So what is it? Your example doesn't make sense either. There's no one here saying that their Ethernet port isn't an RJ-45.

    Don't be that fuckin guy.

    How about you don't be that guy and read the whole context instead of attacking me about it?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I just checked out the specs, that model does not support NVMe. So yeah, there's that.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Intel celeron N150?

    I mean, yeah, technically it's got more ram, but that's literally the only thing going for it. I've got a mini-pc server with that exact CPU. It's good enough for what I need it for, by my wife's 5 generation old M1 Air from 2020 trounces it several times over in terms of speed, even with 8GB.

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  • [+] -23 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    An N150 w/16GB RAM is gonna be way more useful than a A16 or whatever with 8GB. Most people will never touch the potential power of their processor but they certainly will be doing a bunch of shit simultaneously.

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, if that fits your use-case, I'm not gonna tell you not to get it. Plenty of folks just need a machine for scrolling a social media feed, documents, and Youtube.

    But anyone who wants more than what amounts to a Chromebook can get it pretty affordably with the low-end macbooks. Effectively tripling your speed for another $200 is definitely worth it for lots of folks, and memory paging is a lot faster than it used to be.

    Benchmarks can be hit or miss, but aren't totally useless:

    N150: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+N150

    Low-end M1 from 2020: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+3200+MHz

    And finally, the A19 they're talking about using: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+A19+Pro

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    here's a whole ass laptop for $360

    You’re absolutely right, that is an ass laptop.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Almost as ass as a an irreparable, unupgradeable $700 Macbook with a phone processor and 8GB of RAM.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That Celeron ain't got nothing on any phone processor Apple's made in at least the last half decade lol

    I'm not sure the Macbook Neo will make sense, but I know for sure that docked tablet doesn't. They're also ass to repair, performance doesn't exist and the screen belongs in 2008.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    A fancy processor is meaningless without RAM. It's like a Lamborghini rolling on bicycle tires.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    And RAM is meaningless without a processor to use it. So I'm saying this MacBook Neo is probably kinda shit for its price, but the Stream is for sure not any good.

    For the price of the MacBook Neo, the best device to get would actually be a used laptop. Either an Apple Silicon Macbook Air if you can find one with 16 GB, or some kind of a Thinkpad if you want to have more freedom.

    Cheap laptops tend to suck, but used laptops in the same price range can be very good.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    You're not wrong about the rest, but I wouldn't be surprised if the processor benchmarks really well.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This is already less powerful than an old iPad. My SO is looking for a cheap laptop and this one is one I would tell her to avoid like the plague.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Power is meaningless without RAM. It's like a Lamborghini rolling on bicycle tires.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The bottleneck of that laptop is CPU and drive, and with 8 gigs of RAM it would still be. 16GB RAM is the only thing that laptop has going for it.

    Honestly, as a Certified Apple Hater I still have no doubts that the laptop with the A18Pro will run circles around the one you showed and will be a better bang for the buck.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    There’s more to a computer than RAM (or even ither specs), comparing what’s shown in the article to the low-cost option you linked the two systems are leagues apart in terms of build quality.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if the battery life was miles apart too.

    That cheap plastic HP laptop is destined to have its hinge mounts snap away from the upper palmrest through normal day-to-day use.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Apple heard you and released it for $599-699!

    I'm not planning on touching them, but in this economy + the Apple tax, I'm almost impressed

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    The 17e or whatever new phone is supposedly available for 599 with 256GB of internal storage.
    Honestly: If the phone i know little android competition in that price range witg comparable specs and polish.

    But I'd still get one at a higher price because I don't like Mr.WalledGarden

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    what does storage have to do with ram?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Same base material

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    not even close

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I only see a $600 option. What's the $700 option?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    If you go to the official Apple store, the one with 512GB storage is $100 more

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Okay so there's not even an option for increased RAM, huh? 🤣 You gotta pay an extra $500 for 8GB RAM!?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    There's more color options than all the other options combined! Internally you only get the two choices.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    This would eat MacBook Air's lunch with 16GB (market-wise). They're just intentionally kneecapping it again.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Apparently, the last (2020) MacBook Air, which is much more capable, is only $700 to $750 if you can find it on the market. But it's getting phased out right now. Heaven forbid consumers have anything better for less than $1100. Not from Apple.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    People keep saying to buy this thing all the time, seemingly unaware of the fact that every Apple product has an expiration date, when Apple arbitrarily decides that it's "obsolete". That 2020 MacBook has like 1 year of life left in it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Probably true, but what of a laptop with the processor of their iPhone? Their older laptops can stay kicking for years, but I wonder about the longevity of something with a lighter chip on the desktop market

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    but is it pretty pink with an iconic apple on it? I think not.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Spray paint

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I have an M1 mini with 8Gb of RAM that I use as my Home Assistant server. I've given 4Gb to HAOS running in UTM, and let Ollama use the rest to run a modest LLM for speech to text. It's flawless.

    I'm not suggesting that 8Gb is the gold standard or anything, but for some applications it's still perfectly usable.

    I have an M2 Air with 16Gb, and for what I need it to do, I couldn't have any less, but the target market for a bargain basement entry level MacBook almost certainly won't ever notice. It'll literally just be a portal to access iCloud and whatever browser they use to get on their socials. And if they do find they need more, then Apple will happily sell them a new laptop.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Apple's approach to RAM pricing has been criminal for years, and as a company they're really figuring out how to plumb the depths of scumminess, but on this I don't really see the issue.

    With that said, the cost of an extra 8Gb to them is literally pennies, so withholding it is shitty. But it won't really make that much difference to the average performance of the computer.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Unified memory, so more efficient with that. Also MacOS has RAM compression.

    I suppose more is better, and 8GB seems like bare minimum for something useful. But one should always mind that now (unlike before 2020) Apple's hardware has caught up with their advertising in the fact that it's really specifically optimized for the job.

    It's fine for an "Apple Chromebook" I think, especially if bulk orders for institutions will get different deals.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    LMAO you actually bought into that 8GB = 16GB marketing nonsense

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No, that's you happily laughing at the nonsense you yourself said attributing that to me.

    I said that RAM compression in MacOS is an OS feature, well-tested and always on. You can play with something similar under Linux and find out it really makes things better. Which means you can fit more there. Like 10%-20% more is notable enough.

    And I said that unified memory is a feature of their hardware, which is correct. Which is the reason Intel and AMD were playing with that X86-S idea (a new architecture with much of legacy removed, and also, yes, unified memory), until they dropped it because Intel is going to shit.

    I don't see any marketing nonsense in technical facts. Your GPU can use all the same RAM with less expense for doing that. And RAM allocated to applications does get compressed, which is more CPU-intensive obviously, but happens.

    These are obviously correct.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Not who replied to you originally but,

    You aren't wrong (you even stated that more is probably better) , just not necessarily presenting the whole picture.

    Ram compression isn't a benefit only scenario, there is a cost in processing power to make that happen.

    So it's a trade off of memory utilisation vs processing requirements.

    Whether or not it's worth it is down to circumstance, though i agree that generally i think it's worth the tradeoff.

    Unified memory is useful in specific circumstances, most notably LLM/ML scenarios where high vram utilisation is part of the process.

    It's not an apples to apples comparison by any means.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Of course. I'm also generally a low-end user, so to say. 18GB is the biggest I've used on one machine, and the program I run that realistically often takes much of it isn't even the web browser, it's POV-Ray. Sometimes some work VMs, but that's rare.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Then don't buy one. Idk why people get so offended when a company releases a product they're not personally interested in.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    I have no intention of buying one.

    People get offended when customers are swindled. And Apple are expert swindlers.

    Aside from that, the choices other people make affect your choices available on the market. No better example than the headphone jack. Apple removes it and people scream DONT BUY IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, ignorant of the fact that not only this an option that's no longer available, but that the market as a whole would follow Apple's greedy lead until the only thing left is a handful of budget devices, for inexplicable reasons.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    People get offended when customers are swindled. And Apple are expert swindlers.

    So it's a case of "everyone's stupid except for me"?

    No better example than the headphone jack.

    Incredibly vocal minority on reddit/Lemmy aside, your average consumer doesn't give a shit about having a 3.5 jack in their phone. The market prefers thinner, lighter, and better waterproofing. Know how I know? Because if there was a big market for a phone with a 3.5 jack, someone would be making it, and lots of people would be buying it. It's not saving these companies a ton on manufacturing to not include one. They cost pennies each when purchased in bulk.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Know how I know? Because if there was a big market for a phone with a 3.5 jack, someone would be making it, and lots of people would be buying it.

    that's not how it works, so I'd argue you don't know... as Jobs said, he'll tell you what you want.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Jobs is dead, had been dead for 5 years when apple removed the 3.5 jack, and was never in charge of the myriad other phone manufacturers who also removed their 3.5 jacks. I'm not sure he's as relevant here as you're implying.

    Anyway, as an adult, "company made a product that isn't catered to my specific preferences" is well below my threshold for outrage. I actually can't imagine living like that. It must be horrible.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    So it's a case of "everyone's stupid except for me"?

    No, lots of other people also understand that they're swindlers.

    your average consumer doesn't give a shit about having a 3.5 jack in their phone

    Whoosh. It wasn't about "the average consumer", it's about why people are upset about trends in a market, even if it's not something they would ever buy.

    It's not saving these companies a ton on manufacturing to not include one. They cost pennies each when purchased in bulk.

    LOL you actually thought this ever had anything to do with saving money? Did you not notice that they also released another product simultaneously that now makes enough money on its own to be a Fortune 500 company? They created a problem and then immediately turned around and sold people a solution. Absolute masterclass in swindling.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    No, lots of other people also understand that they're swindlers.

    And lots of other people like their stuff and might want to buy this. I'm not one of them, but I'm happy they can get something they like. Why isn't that good enough?

    It wasn't about "the average consumer"

    It's absolutely about the average consumer. Do you honestly believe Samsung removed the 3.5 jack simply because apple did and they're conditioned to follow apple? They follow money. The money is in thinner, lighter, and better water resistance. The money is there because that's what the average consumer actually wants.

    Did you not notice that they also released another product simultaneously that now makes enough money on its own to be a Fortune 500 company?

    And how does that help the competing manufacturers who also removed their 3.5 jack?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Why isn't that good enough?

    Why isn't people liking something they were swindled into paying way too much money for not good enough? Do you really have to ask that? Maybe you can ask the anti-trust regulators why they feel the need to protect people from themselves?

    It's absolutely about the average consumer

    It's absolutely not. It's not about what the consumer wants at all. These companies didn't remove them because customers wanted them removed. They removed so that they couldn't use them anymore.

    And how does that help the competing manufacturers who also removed their 3.5 jack?

    Because they also made buckets of money removing them. Every fucking one of them removed the jack and then immediately introduced new Bluetooth headphones that were several hundred dollars. Even Fairphone went down this hole.

    No one makes money selling $7 wired headphones.

    Are you beginning to understand how things you don't buy still affect you yet?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    they were swindled

    So we're back to "everyone is stupid except for me".

    It's absolutely not. It's not about what the consumer wants at all.

    So we're back to "everyone is stupid except for me".

    These companies didn't remove them because customers wanted them removed.

    Customers want thin, light, and good water resistance. Removing a port barely anyone uses was an easy way to achieve that and the vast majority of customers don't miss it.

    Are you beginning to understand how things you don't buy still affect you yet?

    So we're back to "everyone is stupid except for me".

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So we're back to "everyone is stupid except for me".

    No we're not. I've already addressed this, please scroll up.

    Customers want thin, light, and good water resistance.

    1. We already had several models with all of those things
    2. Even the iPhone Air is thick enough to fit a headphone jack.
    3. For the third time, none of this is about what consumers want.

    So we're back to "everyone is stupid except for me".

    If your strategy is to repeat the same nonsense over and over without addressing my rebuttal then you can go ahead and stop replying to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    No we're not. I've already addressed this, please scroll up.

    Yes, we are. If you believe people have to be tricked or manipulated into valuing different features than you do, you're just using a lot of extra words to say "everyone is stupid except for me".

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