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[–] 17 points 9 months ago (53 children)
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    unrelated: just finished “state and revolution.” liked it a lot, was able to let it sink in. thoughts on next?!

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    it’s my latest. thanks for the link! i’ve knocked out most of the prominent marx / engel writing though i want to “finish” capital, and start “the 18th..”

    i tend also to read anarchistic theory too. since at least right now that clicks in my brain more too. :)

    thanks again!

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (42 children)

    Authoritarian capitalistic state?

    For all the tankies disagreeing simply ask yourself two questions:

    Who owns the means of production in a socialist society?

    Who owns the means of production in China?

    Everything else follows from there

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (34 children)

    A tankie is when people point out you don't understand what you're talking about and are just regurgitating talking points and it makes you feel bad.

    Come to China I can give you a tour I can translate so you can talk to the locals and you can see we're humans too not just some brainwashed peasant "untermensch". You chauvinist loser.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (32 children)

    You are a loser. You don't view us as independent people who have our own views on our country. You ignore the fact that even western outlets report over 80% of us support the government. But none of that matters to you because we're just peasants brainwashed by the evil "authoritarians".

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Not exactly related to the main discussion, but none other than Jeffrey Epstein described the Chinese government, and Xi in particular, as peasants. Said you guys spoke in "fortune cookie language." It goes without saying that is the highest compliment to be an enemy of such people, so China is clearly doing something right.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    China itself just like Chairman Mao is imperfect but I strongly believe the merits out way the wrongs and the real question isn't is China good or bad but by how much the good out ways the bad e.g. is it 60/40, 70/30, 80/20 etc.

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    That's for Chairman Mao and I would largely agree with that however I meant more for the new China as a whole. China continues to be imperfect but as I said I believe the real debate is the semantics of how far the good outweighs the bad as opposed to are they good or bad currently.

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    Lmao, reducing Jason Hickel, a world renowned economic anthropologist, to 'just a blogsite' is hilarious.

    Just a quick background from his wiki

    Jason Edward Hickel[2] (born 1982) is a Swazi economic anthropologist, academic and democratic eco-socialist.[3] He is a professor at the Institute of Environmental Science & Technology (ICTA-UAB) at the Autonomous University of Barcelona,[4] a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, a visiting senior fellow at the International Inequalities Institute at the London School of Economics, and was the Chair of Global Justice and the Environment at the University of Oslo.[5] He serves on the Climate and Macroeconomics Roundtable of the US National Academy of Sciences.[6]

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    You are defending and agreeing with someone calling China evil and authoritarian capitalist. He is wrong and so are you. No amount of dodging or hiding behind semantics will change the position you chose to defend and that you clearly chose to defend it for chauvinist reasons.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    No because even if you don't state it openly it's clearly apparent. You clearly hate China, and we're all just brainwashed serfs of the ebil gubberment.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    The "fabrications" of you siding with someone calling China evil. China is directed by the people. Reconcile how you don't hate Chinese people for me.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    The government does not represent all of a country's people, a country can be evil without its people being evil. Example: the US

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    Over 80% of us support the government. Are we all brainwashed or are we all evil?

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    Edelman

    Page 6 US western capitalist firm and plenty of others. Again showing your ass.

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    Edelman is an american capitalist consulting firm no Chinese influence that you're so scared of (chauvinist). Showing your ass as in you are showing how uneducated you are. English obviously isn't my first language again you being a fucking chauvinist loser.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    me when I do liberal reductionism and don't understand anything Lenin, Chairman Mao or Stalin wrote.

    Edit: To more properly explain.

    You rely on a crude, ahistorical definition of socialism and treats China as a static abstraction rather than a real society developing under concrete material conditions. You reduce Marxism to a legal-form checklist and ignores class power, historical development, and the dictatorship of the proletariat. This is a fundamental error.

    In Marxism, “who owns the means of production” is not a question of paper titles but of class rule. Ownership only matters insofar as it expresses which class holds political power, controls surplus, and sets the direction of development. Defining socialism as the immediate abolition of all private enterprise is not Marxism; it is utopian liberal nonsense.

    Lenin addressed this explicitly. Under proletarian rule, state capitalism is a socialist tool. His formulation is unambiguous: state capitalism under a dictatorship of the proletariat is not capitalism in the bourgeois sense but a form subordinated to socialist power and goals. The decisive issue is not whether markets or private firms exist, but which class commands them.

    In China, the commanding heights of the economy are publicly owned and planned: land (state-owned in cities, collectively owned in the countryside), finance, energy, heavy industry, transport, telecommunications, arms production, and strategic resources. These sectors form the backbone of the economy. Private capital exists, but it does not dominate accumulation or political power.

    The Chinese bourgeoisie does not rule. It has no independent state power and no ability to capture the party. Capitalists are subordinate to the Communist Party and can be regulated, expropriated, imprisoned, or eliminated when they conflict with socialist objectives. Recent crackdowns on tech monopolies, finance, real estate speculation, and billionaire figures demonstrate this class relation. In capitalist states, capital disciplines the state. In China, the state disciplines capital.

    Surplus extraction and allocation further expose the difference. Under capitalism, surplus is privately appropriated and reinvested for profit. In China, surplus (especially from state and regulated sectors) is redirected toward long-term national development: infrastructure, industrial upgrading, poverty eradication, and technological independence. The largest poverty reduction in human history did not occur through laissez-faire capitalism, but through state-directed socialist accumulation (nearly a billion people lifted from poverty).

    Chairman Mao was also clear that socialism is not a finished endpoint but a long historical process filled with contradictions. He emphasized that class struggle continues under socialism and that development occurs through uneven, conflicting processes. Socialism is transitional by definition: it emerges from capitalism, contains remnants of it, and advances toward communism through struggle and transformation. Treating socialism as a stable, contradiction-free end state is anti-Marxist.

    Calling China “authoritarian capitalism” is ridiculous. I've already dealt with the "capitalism" issue but also authoritarian is a useless modifier used by liberals to easily bundle together countries that opposed the status quo as evil and immoral. Try reading On Authority

    “Everything else follows from there” is exactly wrong. Everything follows from class power, historical conditions, and the direction of development. Your reductionist liberal framework cannot explain why China plans five-year strategies, suppresses finance capital, controls land, resists imperialism, and openly declares socialism as its goal. Marxism can however.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The mental gymnastics you need to go trough trying to defend why being capitalistic is basically anticapitalist when the ruling party has "communist" in their name is telling.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    They try to keep a low profile globally, but they fully support Russia and North Korea. Not to mention, all the drama in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the surrounding seas.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    That "drama" in Hong Kong is the result of 100 years of British colonial occupation. North Korea is the result of the US bombing the entire country until there were literally no structures left. Koreans in the North needed to live in caves to avoid being covered in napalm (and if you haven't read about how napalm interacts with human flesh, please do).

    China is not the bad guy in these situations. Britain, the US, France, Spain, The Netherlands, Portugal, Germany - these are the bad guys.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    all the drama in Hong Kong, Taiwan

    You 白左 really hate the liberation of your owners colonial holdings and fascist attack dogs.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Unrelated, but I wanted to say you've got fantastic english skills

    Also, if I was to visit China, do you have any recommendations on where to visit?

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