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[–] 14 points 9 months ago (32 children)

You are a loser. You don't view us as independent people who have our own views on our country. You ignore the fact that even western outlets report over 80% of us support the government. But none of that matters to you because we're just peasants brainwashed by the evil "authoritarians".

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Not exactly related to the main discussion, but none other than Jeffrey Epstein described the Chinese government, and Xi in particular, as peasants. Said you guys spoke in "fortune cookie language." It goes without saying that is the highest compliment to be an enemy of such people, so China is clearly doing something right.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    China itself just like Chairman Mao is imperfect but I strongly believe the merits out way the wrongs and the real question isn't is China good or bad but by how much the good out ways the bad e.g. is it 60/40, 70/30, 80/20 etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    That's for Chairman Mao and I would largely agree with that however I meant more for the new China as a whole. China continues to be imperfect but as I said I believe the real debate is the semantics of how far the good outweighs the bad as opposed to are they good or bad currently.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago (25 children)

    Does lemmy.ml include entirety of China? Because I was only talking about lemmy.ml. Again, you sure you replied to the right comment?

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  • [+] 16 points 9 months ago (8 children)
  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    They said I dont see Chinese people as people instead of focusing on the 'stating the obvious' part. They literally came up with something I never said to support their point.

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    That makes not sense at all, people in China are diverse and numerous with many different opinions and experiences. Don't just band them together as if they are all the same.

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago (6 children)
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    Dont move the goal post. You are trying to prove my comment somehow dehumanizes the entirety of the Chinese population, how does that make sense? When did I say or treat the WHOLE chinese population as less than human with my words?

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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    So if I disagree that China is socialist it automatically means I think Chinese aren't people? My distrust of the statics is directly tied to the chienese government not the people. It make not make sense to you but it is possible to disagree with the government of a country without dehumanizing its people, I disagree with the government of the USA for example, and often my own country's.

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago* (4 children)
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    Does lemmy.ml represent the majority of the Chinese people? Do you? If you are talking statistics, that comes from the government not directly the people. And disagreeing does not dehumanize people, that is such an authoritarian view I can't even. You disagree with the majority of the western world about China, does that mean you are dehumanizing them?

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  • [+] 10 points 9 months ago* (3 children)
  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That blogsite doesnt have direct links to the sources, do you?

    So you can disagree but I can't, interesting point of view.

    Mind you, you have only talked about government approval so far, not perception of the state as socialist or not. But let me entertain you and pretend that is true (even though it is absurd). Lets also pretend that disagreeing with someone (only when it is me, you can apparently) dehumanizes people. 80% of the chinese people believe the country is a socialist country, disagreeing with them constitutes disagreeing with 80% of the country (by your flawed logic), does that me I dehumanized the ENTIRETY of the chinese people?

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago*

    Lmao, reducing Jason Hickel, a world renowned economic anthropologist, to 'just a blogsite' is hilarious.

    Just a quick background from his wiki

    Jason Edward Hickel[2] (born 1982) is a Swazi economic anthropologist, academic and democratic eco-socialist.[3] He is a professor at the Institute of Environmental Science & Technology (ICTA-UAB) at the Autonomous University of Barcelona,[4] a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, a visiting senior fellow at the International Inequalities Institute at the London School of Economics, and was the Chair of Global Justice and the Environment at the University of Oslo.[5] He serves on the Climate and Macroeconomics Roundtable of the US National Academy of Sciences.[6]

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    Nothing about a country with over one billion people with many different ethnicities and continent sized land is easility verifiable.

    "The views expressed in the Ash Center Policy Briefs Series are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect those of the John F. Kennedy School of Government or of Harvard Universi- ty" so okay, not really Havard's opinion or name behind the study

    "While no single survey can adequately address all aspects of satisfaction levels in China, this brief identifies two important yet contrasting findings." Seems your own article disapproves of being used by itself to form opinions.

    "Yet long-term, publicly-available, and nationally-representative surveys in mainland China are so rare that it is difficult to know how ordinary Chinese citizens feel about their government." Very insteresting "Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread" gotta love when your conclusion needs to mention this.

    All in all no details for the actual methodology nor about the so called private company that perfomed the survey (since the institute apparently only created the survey itself).

    Well, this is enough for me today, not gonna bother replying futher since you seem to be trying to waste my time and 'beat' me by tiring me with nonsense.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    You are defending and agreeing with someone calling China evil and authoritarian capitalist. He is wrong and so are you. No amount of dodging or hiding behind semantics will change the position you chose to defend and that you clearly chose to defend it for chauvinist reasons.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    You said I didnt see Chinese people as people, which I never said ever. Are you gonna retract that? Cause you are still wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    No because even if you don't state it openly it's clearly apparent. You clearly hate China, and we're all just brainwashed serfs of the ebil gubberment.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago* (13 children)

    Ah okay, so the fabrications of your mind and you prejudice against me are relevant and valid points for you to criticize me. The irony of your comment isnt lost on me

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    The "fabrications" of you siding with someone calling China evil. China is directed by the people. Reconcile how you don't hate Chinese people for me.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    The government does not represent all of a country's people, a country can be evil without its people being evil. Example: the US

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Over 80% of us support the government. Are we all brainwashed or are we all evil?

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Who published that statistic?

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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    It wasnt linked. Okay, lets see how the research was conducted "and together with a leading private research and polling company in China" so the questioning wasnt done by havard but this private company that isnt named. It is also only 3000 interviewees, which isnt statistically relevant in a country of over 1 billion people. Even the study found discrepancies between people in the major cities and the country side.

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  • [+] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    The link you first sent mentioned 3000. Actually even that research it was only 3000 per year lol, still statistically insignificant. 31000 is the total over the entire research, ridiculous.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Edelman

    Page 6 US western capitalist firm and plenty of others. Again showing your ass.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Showing my ass? Western capitalist firm? Are you using google translate?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Edelman is an american capitalist consulting firm no Chinese influence that you're so scared of (chauvinist). Showing your ass as in you are showing how uneducated you are. English obviously isn't my first language again you being a fucking chauvinist loser.

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