I don't use Lemmy, I use PieFed, and it never used any AI. Thanks for playing though.

Then why have seasoned programmers accepted that getting an LLM to generate messy code, then tidying it up, is often faster than writing 2 dozen lines themselves?

I don't know that they have.

The problem is not that it's not faster but that this causes a deep influence on the code, as well as being full of bugs that are glossed over in the thousands of lines of code.

Claiming it does not have any uses at all seems like an expression of your own lack of creativity

LOOOOOLOLOL pot meet kettle.

But that doesn't mean it cannot simplify and enhance skilled workers that understand its limitations and use it to increase their own productivity.

It can't. It can only be used to generate lazy bug-ridden garbage.

Is it possible you're so engrossed in anger and disgust at how it is being marketed, that you're deciding to hate the entire concept

Is it possible that how it's being marketed makes makes you overlook the bug-ridden garbage that it pumps out?

No, it's possible that I used it and found it to be wrong a majority of the time and that actually just doing it myself is faster and less error-prone. If you only want to pump out trash then by all means. But I don't want any part of it.

If hammers were used

I'm so tired of this nonsense. A hammer does not do anything that I do not explicitly make it do. I do not ask a hammer to install the roof and then it runs around driving nails into all the windows.

I had initially written a different comment instead of asking about music, but since you brought it up I felt like that'd be a good gauge. I think we should treat all AI devised work similarly. If support AI code we should support AI art. I do think a nuanced approach is understandable though. The following is what I had initially written for my previous comment:

I don't think there is a "correct" way of doing a lot of the things AI is being asked to do. There are conventions which are followed, but plenty of people solve the same problems in different ways. Is an interaction a click, long press, or a swipe? Is something a button and a popup or a simple menu item? If there was a single correct way to solve coding questions, there would only be one operating system or one Lemmy app. I think a lot of people see code as a bunch of loops rather than a (hopefully) well planned solution to a problem. AI as it stands cannot actually understand a problem, but it can guess what a solution might look like based on similar problems. It takes those people's solutions and assumptions and applies them and there is an assumption that the output is somehow inevitably that regardless of what or who would have been asked to solve the problem. It's like saying there's a "correct" photorealistic beach scene. Sure, plenty of people might have an idea of what that might look like, but everyone might have a different take. Are there palm trees? Are there birds? Where is the sun in the picture? I'm sure AI can generate a serviceable rendition of one, but it's rendition is no more correct, and it certainly wasn't done with an actual understanding of the elements of the scene. People aren't asking AI to generate "if.. else..." they are having AI design applications whole cloth and we end up seeing the results like that site that had its user list exposed on its front end or that have buttons that go nowhere. If there was one correct solution then AI either didn't know it, didn't understand it, or didn't deliver it. Any of those options is a failure of the AI in that case, but the in my opinion true and scarier answer is that there is no correct way to do a lot of things AI is generating code for and that it is prone to mistakes for that reason.