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Owner Of Adult Store Stunned After Pentagon Demands She Stop Shipping Butt Plugs To Soldiers In Middle East (www.comicsands.com)

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Apparently the US Department of ~~Defense~~War thinks that they can order non-US citizens not resident in the USA to cease and desist from mailing things.

Uh…

Hilarity of the items involved aside, the gall of the US military postal service to give orders to civilians not under their command and not even of their nation is shocking.

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[+] unmagical@lemmy.ml -16 points 9 months ago* (17 children)

Apparently the US Department of ~~Defense~~War thinks that they can order non-US citizens not resident in the USA to cease and desist from mailing things.

It's not to stop mailing things. It's to stop mailing things to them. That should be a basic right. I want nothing more than to be able to tell my grocery store to stop mailing me anything, and I'm sure most employers don't want their employees having dildos delivered to their work, especially in places where possession of such items is illegal.

If you're engaged in international business you do actually have to respect the laws of the countries you operate in.

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[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I think the problem is that she is not sending it for no reason, they should stop ordering first :P

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[+] unmagical@lemmy.ml -6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

She could also just deny orders to any APO as a matter of policy.

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[–] DreadPirateSnuggles@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago

Why would she want to do that?

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[–] JamieDub86@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

And get sued?

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

For what? Using USPS is not compulsory. Having an APO/FPO is not a protected class. There are already restrictions on what can be sent to an APO (to include things that are illegal in the host country, like Bahrain). And logistics processing outside of your companies "normal" flow is not compulsory just to appease a US grunt.

There are plenty of companies that don't send to APOs and they continue to exist without doing so just fine.

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[–] moody@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

To add to this, lots of companies ship exclusively with UPS and FedEx, neither of which can deliver to APOs.

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[–] JamieDub86@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

If she doesnt send stuff, she is leaving herself wide open to law suits.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

I mean, if she takes money on an order that won't be fulfilled, yeah. But she can just refuse to accept orders with a mailing address that's an APO without risk.

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[–] JamieDub86@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago

Yeah im making an assumption.

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[–] mrlee@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It‘s ordered and payed for by her customers. And she‘s just supposed to not mail it?

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[–] moody@lemmings.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not only that, but she doesn't know where they're going in the first place. These packages are definitely being sent to APO addresses and redirected to their final destination.

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[–] JamieDub86@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

So those telling her to stop really dont know what theyre doing?

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

It's boilerplate bullshit dude. The letter would of gone to both the seller and the receiver.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 11 points 9 months ago*

national sovereignty is exactly what the US is trying to discredit

it is like any narcissist the first thing they do when they want to own a person in a relationship is start neg-hitting and making demands for change to lower the self-esteem of the target.

Same shit, different diaper

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[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Why is it her obligation to not fulfill these orders? Why is it not something that is handled between the military and their employee? She isn't sending random flyers, someone stationed there, who should have been told isn't allowed at that posting, ordered it nonetheless. If I break the rules by bringing a lighter onto my work premises (fire hazard restrictions), my boss doesn't call Zippo, he talks to me. It would be a bigger deal if I had one shipped there, but they still wouldn't be calling Zippo.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

She's doing business internationally and failed to comply with local regulations and courier terms of use for her products' destination.

There're agreements that govern how mail transits from Canada to the US and agreements that govern how the US moves mail to military bases in host countries. To facilitate the hundreds of different permutations of local laws USPS provides a portal where you can check if what you intend to mail is permitted.

Bennett had no idea her business's products were going to a country where they would be illegal.

She should have known. The military member would have given her their address including "APO AE 09837." She should have then visited the USPS APO restrictions portal and typed in "09837" whereupon she would have seen the following:

E2. Any matter depicting nude or seminude persons, pornographic, or sexual items are prohibited.

At that point she would have known that sending one of her products to that address was illegal in the destination country she was doing business in and a violation of her couriers terms.

She didn't do that, Bahrain notified the recipient (technically the US Military) and asked them to notify the sender, and they did.

It's her choice to support APOs, but if she does support APOs she's doing business all across the world and is subject to the local restrictions. If she just wants to deal with the US and Canada and not have to deal with other countries' customs than she shouldn't support APOs.

It's illegal to mail someone alcohol in the US. It's also illegal to mail someone alcohol in Bahrain. Regardless of if someone orders alcohol online it's still illegal to send alcohol. If you disregard that and mail alcohol anyway then you are breaking the law.

Though it's legal to mail sex toys in the US, it is illegal to mail sex toys to Bahrain--even if to a US military base. Regardless of if someone orders sex toys online it's still illegal to mail sex toys to Bahrain. If you disregard that and mail sex toys to Bahrain anyway then you are breaking the law.

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[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 3 points 9 months ago

I stand corrected. She certainly could have determined this was illegal. But as far as I know, it is still illegal for someone to order prohibited items online, and it seems the military could stop a lot of those things on their side if they enforced the laws with their employees, as well.

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