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[+] -7 points 10 months ago (61 children)

Isn't the land underneath the house never owned by the person, always the state? So while they may "own" the structure, it's always in doubt of whether they will be able to lease the land again after the current lease expires.

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    it's a lifetime lease and prevents the accumulation of generational wealth in real estate. not flawless but generally still miles better than what westerners have. (nothing)

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (12 children)

    the fact that real estate is dirt cheap and therefore it's not a feasible way to become a leech (landlord) and live off rent because it'll not pay off

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Uh if the 90% overall homeownership rate isn't "backing it up" I want to know how you define "better"

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Why? Do you have evidence that suggests otherwise? Is there a particular reason you're so adamant that China's system must be worse than the commodified system we have in the west?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    You realize you can type "china homeownership rate" into any search engine and find a wealth of information? Even from outlets that are generally deeply biased against China. It's a pretty strong consensus.

    Waiting for information to come to you is only going to expose you to narratives that someone has a vested interest in putting in front of you. Someone that's trained and paid to pander to you is going to do it a lot better than a regular well-meaning person that belongs to your class and shares your material interests.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I don't do the work to back up somebody else's opinion. And clearly other narratives have been put in front of me - look at this thread. None of it is backed up with anything but words except by me. Like, I literally sourced the Chinese government for stuff, but please tell me how me asking for somebody else to put a modicum of work into backing up what they believe is my problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Bish, you dug up a bunch of sources on this elsewhere in the thread. Very specific claims from the larger topic, Chinese home ownership. The idea that you dont know the figures is laughable based on your other replies.

    What's actually happening here is you're JAQing off and being a cretin. Learn to search for basic facts and go fuck yourself

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Why would I "back up" something that is not in dispute? You are more than capable of doing independent verification if you feel doubtful of any of my claims.

    In fact I would suggest you verify even information you largely agree with, or at least have a reasonable level of confidence that it won't be totally invalidated by a simple internet search when you repeat it. That's the standard I and a good number of us here hold ourselves to, which is why folks that don't do that tend to have quite an adversarial experience when they find themselves in your place.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    You are sealioning right now. You're asking someone else to do a shit ton of work under the guise of "just asking questions" pretending to have healthy discourse.

    A lot of this sites people suck and its filled with people justifying absurd things, but right here, you are asking a question so open ended its tantamount to asking for a thesis paper, and those would still be scrutinized.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Oh no, the state in China prevents rich assholes from buying up and hoarding property, how terrible!

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    oh no the lib bible disagrees in face of all evidence, must be true 🤣

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    this evidence ignoramus

    90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

    Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

    Social mobility in China being far better than in the US https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html

    The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9

    The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf

    From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&amp%3Blocations=CN&amp%3Bstart=2008

    Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI

    Meanwhile, billionaires are fleeing China https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/china-billionaires-declining-rich-list-13830670.html

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  • [+] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    And what's the problem with that?

    This may be a hot take but I think there should not be forever private ancestral lands.

    The city/state should periodically get the land back and resell it to cover the ever changing maintenance costs (heck you are paying this with the increasing property tax)

    The city/state should have a relatively predictable timeline of when they can reliably gain control of a land back so they can plan development around it (particularly infrastructure) and not deal with someone who know they can just squat on such land to sell for an inflated price.

    Having an "expiration date" on the land is a surefire way to stop ever increasing property prices, getting a home with a shorter remaining lease period might be preferable for some who is not going to stay there permanently but long enough to want to own a home and having these options be a cheaper option is a very good thing. Such expiration date also means it is easier to modernize each property as needed, this will not be the death of historic buildings because the city/state still can make exceptions for them if needed.

    Also how many of the US-ians are getting a house as their inheritance anyways? Oftentimes when a generation passes away post retirement, their house gets sold to some investment firm and becomes a rental.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    There are no property taxes in China last I checked.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The news about the pilot is correct. Xi Jinping had been pushing for it for a long time and this is all he has been able to get so far. He is strongly against speculative growth of real estate.

    AFAIK residents don't have to compete to renew the lease. We have seen the first batches of leases expiring in recent times and no one got evicted. What I understand is that, you can't sell your house after the lease expires, but you can continue living their indefinitely till the building crumbles. If the government decides to demolish and redevelop, then they give you a new house in the same place.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Being a jackass is also not a meaningful contribution.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Pointing out someone being rude does not make me rude.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    And now look how far you’ve brought us off track. Completely derailed the conversation. I hope you’re quite proud of yourself.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah bud. I was being sardonic. And you’re just still being a jackass.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah the us would never force anyone off of land.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    Human Rights Watch? Seriously? Do you look into your sources at all, or are you just happy to spread imperial apologia?

    Wikipedia is a terrible source for current affairs.

    Your attempts to smear the three gorges dam project are part of a tradition older than the Internet. Of course, the human rights watch was all over that propaganda.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The land under your house is owned by the Indigenous people you stole it from. So while you may “own” the structure, when Indigenous law is restored after the illegitimate occupation falls, you will be told to GTFO.

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  • That's incorrect.

    Indigenous people as a general idea did not believe that land could be owned by an individual due to viewing the Earth as one's relative, requiring respect and care, as are all the animals and plant life the land supports. Judeo-Christian religions, likely along with many other religions that I haven't studied from Eurasia and Africa, view land as being able to be subjugated like cattle or sheep.

    This is unlikely to change until climate change and its disasters convince people that they need to actually take care of the earth.

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