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We all watched ICE walk up to her window, pulled out his gun and shot her point blank in the face (discuss.online)
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[–] 65 points 10 months ago (59 children)

When will it be enough that people actively start opening fire on ICE the second they pull out to their street? This is getting ridiculous. Not even white women are safe.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago* (57 children)

    The problem is that's when he "gets" to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.

    So far, judges have denied him access to military even though he keeps screaming about terrorists and buildings burning, when really there are people in frog costumes and people with whistles.

    Hitler took control of German government and military the second a building caught fire. This is likely what he's trying to make happen.

    Elections happen this year that could generate some congressional power challenges against his orders with more urgency. How much hope do I have that elections even happen? Will several red states change last minute election rules and post office cancel ballot deliveries or straight up replace federal electors again? Will he make up a fake excuse to end elections or arrest opponents? Who knows. Once he steals power instead of having it with legitimacy is when gloves have to come off. In the meantime it has to stay peaceful. We dug this hole ourselves at this point.

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  • [–] 84 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    At some point you have to say enough is enough instead of coming out with this stupid ass excuse.

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  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” - Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts

    I don't think people calling for restraint understand what we're up against.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's pretty stunning how they talk like terrorists and abusers and people just go with it.

    But I guess I know from experience that conservative culture has a lot of "shut up and deal with it" conditioning. And not like "practicing stoicism is good for you" dealing with it. It's more like "know your place, respect your betters, and shut your mouth."

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It's the "might makes right" approach.

    Most of us get educated about why that's bad in pre-school. Nobody likes a bully and often bullying is ended with a swift punch in the face from the victim. People like Stephen Miller just haven't got theirs yet.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Trump can declare war without even telling congress about it. What makes you think he needs something real in order to "declare martial law"? At what point are you going to decide that NOT FIGHTING BACK is actually helping these people trample you?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    He's already stolen power. He's admitted multiple times that they rigged the election.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Huh?

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (13 children)

    Trump said, on camera, "I was president, then I wasn't. Then they rigged the election and now I'm president again." That's slightly paraphrased because I don't care to listen to him talk again if I can avoid it, but the wording wasn't ambiguous.

    He admitted to it a few more times, but that was the most blatant one.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    He meant they rigged it for Biden. He talks like an idiot

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago*

    No, he really didn't.

    He vomits just enough word salad to give his supporters an excuse to pretend he didn't say what he said, but he's been remarkably forthright about nearly every heinous thing he's done or is planning to do, from "grab 'em by the pussy" to "we need Greenland for national security." And even when he doesn't just publicly confess outright, you can tell exactly what he did because he falsely accuses others of doing it.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    How does, "then they rigged the election and now I'm president again," suggest that he's talking about Biden? He plainly laid out the sequence of events. It was one of the least convoluted things I've ever heard the man say.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    He was trying to be snide about the fact that he would have been president 2 terms in a row but they cheated him out of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Have you actually seen the video? It's very clear that wasn't what he meant.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Have you? The video makes it more clear that's what he means.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Trump is going to declare Marshall Law anyway. Fighting back will only accelerate it. Regardless, Marshall Law isn't a real thing in the United States. Although that won't stop the president in the high castle.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    He is allowed to take over state militaries in emergency situations. I also agree that I think he's going to make up an excuse and do it anyway at some point before elections.

    A lot of what he is getting away with is stuff that Congress could block. It's their appropriate money he's using, but they're all his tools right now so they don't fight back and just let him do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (23 children)

    The problem is that’s when he “gets” to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.

    Practically speaking, how is that any different from now?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Do you really think this is as bad as it can get?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    Of course not. I'm asking what declaring Martial Law would change.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach.

    Currently we just have ICE, national guard, and police assaulting us, but under martial law there will be things like tanks and drone bombs.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (19 children)

    Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach

    You believe the only thing stopping that is Trump saying "I declare Martial Law"?

    He also can't just kidnap a foreign leader without notifying congress -- except he actually just can.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    The only thing stopping Trump right now is the courts. Martial law is an endrun around the courts.

    Yes, he is breaking laws, but once the court actually steps up and tells him to stop, he does. We unfortunately have a long history of extrajudicial foreign action that the courts just don't care about, but that's not the same as deploying military to one's own country.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (17 children)

    The only thing stopping Trump right now is the courts.

    Stopping him how?

    but once the court actually steps up and tells him to stop, he does.

    Like when? And what good is telling him to stop after he's already done the thing? What's to stop him from just defying it again?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (15 children)

    Let me know if I'm summarizing this fairly:

    Your concern with people open-carrying at ICE protests is that it risks creating a situation where Trump can declare Martial Law. If that happens, he could use bombs against civilians, with no way for the courts to tell him to stop.

    You agree that there is nothing stopping him from using tanks and bombs on civilians right now, but if he does, the courts will tell him to stop at some point in the future. And he probably would, but then he would come back later, probably with more weaponry.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    I can quote everything I included in that summary if you give me examples of things you think you didn't say.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (12 children)

    You assume I'm against open carry, for one.

    I also disagree with your entire second paragraph. Something is clearly stopping him from bombing us right now, and you seem to be suggesting that it's not the courts, it's... his own goodwill? What?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (11 children)

    You assume I’m against open carry, for one.

    You're right, I got mixed up with this thread and another -- this is about opening fire.

    I also disagree with your entire second paragraph. Something is clearly stopping him from bombing us right now, and you seem to be suggesting that it’s not the courts, it’s… his own goodwill? What?

    That's a false premise. Just because he isn't doing something doesn't mean he's prevented from doing it.

    You could have said exactly the same thing about deploying the national guard to those states before he did it, and we can see that you would have been wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (10 children)

    Except, America has always fucked around with foreign leaders, so I wouldn't have said that. We've done a number of coups without congressional approval in my lifetime, the only remarkable thing about Maduro is that we took him alive.

    In the same lifetime, we have never deployed troops to local neighborhoods.

    Edit: you ninja edited me.

    I also wouldn't have said the same thing about deploying national guard to those states, because that's also happened multiple times before Trump.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    I envy your comfort in the guardrails and ability to rationalize Trump as behaving more-or-less within the bounds of precedence.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Come to my community meetings and help us set up a mutual aid network.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Rotary can be good, but they lean more progressive lib than left left. They do have a lot of helpful programs for the community though.

    Honestly, grassroots groups are popping up all over the place, and you can't even find them online yet. We didn't even have a website before I volunteered space, and I only found them by going to protests and talking to people there. There's one coming up at 2pm on Tuesday the 20th, so you're gonna find the ones willing to leave work early at that one.

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