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U.S. Has Captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro (www.twz.com)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/world@lemmy.world
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[+] -35 points 10 months ago (19 children)

Couldn't happen to a nicer person.

However it means Trump accidentally did something right, which will make him even more insufferable. And he might get ideas of doing it to other countries.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Would you describe China attacking North Korea or Cambodia or another SE Asian dictatorship to depose their leadership as "accidentally doing something right"?

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yes absolutely

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    People dragging you for supporting the fall of North Korea is some unhinged tankie shit.

    Stay sane; ignore the .ml brigade.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The how does matter. You can appreciate the removal of a despot and still oppose unilateral regime change by force--especially one so explicitly motivated by resource exploitation. This is very different from the UN-sanctioned and NATO-led intervention that deposed Gaddafi.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I completely agree with you on all of those points. The present Venezuela invasion is totally heinous in my book.

    Acting like Xi invading North Korea is the same thing as VZ is where I totally disagree with you.

    Assuming the Chinese were to make a modicum of effort to prevent mass famine, I see the possible humanitarian boon as outweighing the international-relations consequences. Or to frame it differently, the crimes against humanity that North Korea has committed give China a valid casus belli.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    How can we justify staying in Venezuela?

    Calling for immediate snap elections, then returning Maduro for trial in Venezuela? Okay. That’d be one thing.

    But basically annexing the country?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Staying would be a really, really bad idea. Venezuelans massively hate Maduro, but a military occupation would be a different thing. The best course of action would be to allow Edmundo González, the closest thing to a legitimately elected president, to return and take over leadership until further political reform can be done, followed by new elections.

    Unfortunately this is Trump we're talking about. He'll find a way to fuck it up no doubt.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Them boots taste good?

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  • [+] -15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    You mean Maduro's boots? There's a reason 90% of Venezuelans out there are celebrating regardless of what happens next. Taking out a dictator is a good thing even if it ends in civil war.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    There's a reason 90% of Venezuelans out there are celebrating regardless of what happens next.

    [Citation needed]

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    See these picture from "exiles" in Florida being shared everywhere.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    There are around 29M citizens in Venezuela. And around 330,000 people of Venezuelans decent in Florida. Even if 100% of the ladder agreed, that wouldn't even account for 1.5% of the Venezuelan population. Why does their opinion matter more than that of the 29M people who are actually there?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    You're getting downvoted, but what I've heard of the occasion is basically this. It's upsetting because Trump absolutely did something horrendous - but this time to a horrendous person. It's definitely a case of him trying to apply abuses to justify abuses.

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