Video shows Gen Xu Qinxian explaining why he refused to deploy troops to crush 1989 student-led demonstrations

Rare footage of a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) general who defied orders to lead his troops into Tiananmen Square and crush the 1989 student protesters has been leaked online, offering a highly unusual glimpse into the upper echelons of the military at one of the most fraught moments in modern Chinese history.

General Xu Qinxian’s refusal to take his troops from the PLA’s prestigious 38th Group Army, a unit based on the outskirts of Beijing, into the capital has been the stuff of Tiananmen lore for decades.

The six-hour video recording of Gen Xu’s court martial hearing the next year sheds light on the rare act of defiance. In the video, Xu said he refused because he did not want to become “a sinner in history”.

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[+] 86 points 10 months ago (36 children)
  • [–] 84 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It seems like all empires are horrible to me. Humans suck, especially when they have power

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah.

    There’s lots of instances throughout history that prove that humans with power suck.

    I like to think that it’s because nice people aren’t the type to accumulate power rather than power corrupts nice people who do get power.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think we make the mistake of letting people govern groups of people that they are too distant from to care about. Leaders are essential, but they have to care about the people they lead. I dont think its actually possible to care about people a thousand miles away the same way as the people in your community. I think this is why the largest countries that are controlled by the fewest people have the most problems. Its a delegation issue essentially.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It's a flaw of empires in general. They become this pervasive machine where ends always justify the means and there's just too much power and slow rare of change. Just a bad system no matter how you look at it.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    A good point. Though I was surprised to read this particular dissident only got 5 years in prison and exile from Beijing.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago*

    Seems like standard procedure to higher ups in China. They did something similar to Xi Jinping‘s father when he spoke out against a violent solution for the protests. Too bad Xi learned all the wrong lesson‘s from his dad‘s political exile.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    He went to prison for 5 years and then lived into his 80s.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    They killed him in the slowest way possible 😔

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Too bad China kills good people.

    He wasn't killed, he was court marshalled and released five years later. He died in '21 at the ripe old age of 85

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Protestors burned alive in their APC by the nefarious CCP Street Clothes division

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Lmfao it doesn't get more tankie than mourning the loss of a fucking tank.

    Now let's all laugh about the pictures of actual crushed, shot and mutilated humans [NSFL]. Are these people plain clothes PLA killed by uh... students false flagging as tank drivers?

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Nice deflection!

    But I do agree, seems like you hit your own nerve reading these comments. Having trouble stomaching the fact that blind support for "AES" means cheering for the jack boots running over hunger striking students? Keep digging up conspiracies and excuses, you'll beat that cognitive dissonance eventually.

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  • [+] -20 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Literally not an empire. Don't get your terms mixed!

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Then what do you call what they're doing in Africa?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    It doesn't matter. Folks see a foreign country doing foreign things foreign-ly, rather than toeing the NATO line, and they're evil incarnate.

    Meanwhile, NATO allies - from the Brits to the Saudis to the insanely corrupt Philippian government - go fully under the radar of liberals.

    China's biggest crime right now is their success. They aren't being crippled by sanctions like Cuba, gunned down like Venezuela, or systematically genocided like Palatine. So they must be doing the most nightmarish things imaginable to their people - and to the rest of the world - in order to no-sell American foreign policy.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)
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    Success

    Why China's property crash must be kept top secret

    Cheap Housing... Bad?

    Peaceful?

    This analysis contends that China’s aggressive actions represent a deliberate violation of international maritime law and the South China Sea Code of Conduct.

    A South China Sea code of conduct has been under discussion for over two decades.

    You broke a set of rules we haven't even defined yet!

    Not doing terrible things to their citizens?

    China signs police patrol agreements with nations

    In 2016, an Italian police official told NPR that joint policing would “lead to a wider international cooperation, exchange of information and sharing resources to combat the criminal and terrorist groups that afflict our countries.”

    Those monsters.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Cheap housing good. Collapsing industry so houses can't continue to be built where needed and so that houses can't be maintained is bad.

    Violating other countries sea borders isn't undefined.

    Yes, monsters when they kidnap dissidents and call them terrorists.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Collapsing industry so houses can’t continue to be built

    Data released by the National Bureau of Statistics on Monday showed that nationwide residential housing starts fell 19.9% year-on-year in the first 11 months of 2025 to 392 million square meters, while new home sales dropped 8.1% to 658 million square meters.

    So demand is off it's peak, but they're still building about half a Cleveland's worth of homes this year.

    I wouldn't consider that an economy which has forgotten how to build housing.

    Violating other countries sea borders isn’t undefined.

    Whose borders?

    Yes, monsters when they kidnap dissidents and call them terrorists.

    Does murdering your pregnant girlfriend make you a dissident?

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