Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 10 points 10 months ago (98 children)

I jumped in .ml by random and it's crazy how had the hate is. If you find a good intance DM me sir.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 98 child comments
  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (38 children)

    It's weird, I hopped off ML due to how much hate other users were giving me, but I never actually experienced anything from the ML users themselves. I did stay off the politics subs, so that's maybe why, but it was genuinely quite a chill instance for me.

    Anyway I'm on UK now, and people seem to treat me nicer

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 38 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    So funny story guys, I was minding my own business at literally the main bar downtown, when a bunch of hard-right nutjobs threw gin in my face and called me a nazi saying "don't you know who owns this bar". Bitch, I was just having a drink at the first bar in town.

    Anyway, I learned to stay clear of the bar they were asking me to join instead, because who in their right mind joins a bunch of random wackos throwing gin in people's faces.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    It's funny, I only ever saw you guys putting those up

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Go up through this chain, and objectively ask yourself Am I the one who has been lashing out and name calling like a deranged lunatic? Or have I been calm and collected and presented my side in a rational manner?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's similar in Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. Very chill usually, it's the hatred they get from liberal-aligned instances that sparks all of the drama.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (22 children)

    Early on I poked around ml, and it wasn't so much hate but more like some really... interesting views on how to organize politically

    It boiled down to "unite the workers of the world and seize the means of production", but like... That was it. No answer to how to do that, or what to do next

    The most annoying part was honestly just how hard some of them simp for China and Russia, sometimes even North Korea

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 22 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Marxists absolutely have advice on how to organize, the problem is that it's very regional. Some parties are good, others are horrid, but the basics are to find a good organization local to you and join it. Protesting, reading theory, doing direct action and mutual aid, unionizing and striking, all are good ways to organize.

    None of us "simp" for the PRC or DPRK, and certainly not for the Russian Federation. We support socialist countries and critically support those working against the US empire.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 20 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (18 children)

    I'm not sure I follow your point. The Leninist aspects of Marxism-Leninism are mostly Lenin's analysis of imperialism, the heights of which capitalism had not quite reached in Marx's time, and in practical organizational theory. Marxism-Leninism posits that we should create a working class party, study the given conditions of the country we are in (history, contradictions, class struggle) in order to correctly identify the key issues to organize around. In doing so, the working class needs to gradually choose the vanguard party, meaning a vanguard party that fails to do so is no vanguard. Only then, when the conditions of revolution appear, can the vanguard direct the great quantity of the working class to achieve a qualitative change in society, into socialism.

    Marxism-Leninism is based on practical struggle, based on reality, on the material world. The point of philosophy is to change the world for the better, not simply understand it. Education is merely one aspect of Marxist-Leninist praxis, used to create more effective revolutionaries, but is by no means the only.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 18 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Billionaires exist in China because China participates in markets and has some degree of private property. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and China isn't imperialist. These are all true, and requires simply looking at the facts at hand to recognize. China has not failed to live up to their stated beliefs, you simply don't actually know what their stated beliefs are because you're arguing against learning.

    China is indeed a real place with real problems. These problems are not the ones you think they are, because you focus on your own imagination to fill in the gaps in your knowledge rather than studying the real systems. This is why leftists advocate study, investigation, and learning over simply relying on instinct and vulgar empiricism alone.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children)

    It isn't imperialism shaped. There's no unequal exchange going on, no underdevelopment, no forced hegemony. The ideology being different helps, but the reason it isn't imperialism is because there's no imperialism. Loans and investments are not inherently imperialism.

    Yes, there are no billionaires without mass exploitation, correct. This doesn't mean China isn't socialist or that it's imperialist. China isn't capitalist because public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, and the working classes are in charge of the state, over what capitalists there are in China.

    I'm not jumping through hoops, you just don't know what China's system is, what imperialism is, nor what socialism is, because you're arguing that studying any of these is a waste of time.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Oh I'm well-aware of how imperialism functions today, because I study it. That's how I know that China isn't economically colonizing other states.

    Public ownership exists under capitalism, yes, but in capitalism private ownership is the principle aspect. The principle aspect of the economy determines the mode of production, ie controls at a minimum the large firms and key industries with a given class in charge of the state. In the US, private ownership is principle while in the PRC public ownership is principle. Capitalism and socialism aren't determined by their purity.

    I'm not jumping through any hoops, nor do I only listen to politicians, I study the systems and listen to researchers, academics, and working class organizations more than anything.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (13 replies)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I have to admit the anti-US sentiment did align nicely with my eurocentric views. But the pro-Russia and pro-China sentiment did not jell with me very well, and was a factor of why I left

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There’s very little disagreement among .ml users because .ml is so heavily moderated. As an insider, it looks like calm waters all around you. But other instances easily see the dissent getting quashed, and only deal with the .ml users spouting insane comments on non-ml communities.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (52 children)
  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (31 children)

    ROFL, About 7 in 10 of my interactions with .ml are either positive or neutral

    The vocal side of hexbear is almost completely unhinged.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 31 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (30 children)

    Calling leftists "almost completely unhinged" is more of a self-tell than anything.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 30 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    I mean....they didn't call "leftist" unhinged, they specified a specific group.

    Hexbear does not equate to all leftist, and leftism does not equate to Hexbear.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 17 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    The overwhelming majority of the time people have issues with Hexbear, it's the leftism.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • load more comments (11 replies)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    "Tankie" is just a pejorative for those that uphold socialist countries as legitimate, and oppose the US empire. Communists are not anywhere close to MAGA, and pretending they are is sophistry.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It absolutely is, it’s the McCarthyian vision of a spooky scary communist that wants to gobble up all of the babies. It's used against Marxists and anti-imperialists to terminate discussion.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I think you're doing a great job of showing how anti-communists are, personally.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    No alts, your opinions are just unpopular, same with your wierd sexual harassment.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    If their problem wasn't with the communism but instead with the hatred they get, then Hexbear.net is good, which uses an allow-list for federation. It's a very chill instance to use.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Considering "tankie" is just a pejorative for those who uphold socialism and oppose the US Empire, the "far right, conservative shite the tankies are smoking" is just Marxist theory.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    It absolutely is, it’s the McCarthyian vision of a spooky scary communist that wants to gobble up all of the babies. It's used against Marxists and anti-imperialists to terminate discussion.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I think you're doing a great job of showing how anti-communists are, personally.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    No alts, your opinions are just unpopular, same with your wierd sexual harassment.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Ah yes, that should fix it.

    Oh shoot I broke the rule in the meme!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Shutting out the voices of leftists is the rule in the meme? Sounds like we should break that.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)