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9/10 times, there's your problem right there... (media.piefed.ca)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.world
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Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.

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[–] 116 points 10 months ago (51 children)

You know what's funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.

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  • [–] 56 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.

    Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a "win argument" ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don't understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to "prove" their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was "I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like". It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don't really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.

    It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I'd ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how "people are saying" is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn't count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic "argument". I didn't agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.

    I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I'm mobile, so it sometimes doesn't show the community until I've clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they're either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Honestly I will half agree with you. Really we should be providing primary sources if we want to prove anything.

    Not because I don't believe socialist news sources are inaccurate it's just that liberals are not going to believe it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven't argued with my own side in a while..... Or I am less ML than I think I am.....

    I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I'm not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space

    considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship

    Lmfao. What's leftism to you?

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What do you consider a non braindead leftist?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    As long as you avoid campism and are ready to criticize the USSR and Maoist China for what they did wrong you're not braindead

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    To you, exposing and opposing blatant disinformation about fascism in the west is defending the Russian Republic. To me, it isn't.

    By propagating the conspiracy theory that the far right problem in the west stems from Russia, you're not just being western supremacist (as in "our problems must always be caused by some foreign nation"), you're also obfuscating the very real material reasons why Europe and the US have a fascist problem, and that's my issue with you. You're whitewashing fascism by making up that "the problem with fascism is that it comes from outside".

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    By propagating the conspiracy theory that the far right problem in the west stems from Russia

    This is what happens when you don't have proper training in logical argumentation. If you can find me a single instance where i say that fascism is exclusively coming from Russia I'll concede this argument to you.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    ... we don't?

    I literally can't do what the meme suggests, because I've already blocked all users from that instance automatically.

    You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    wait, what does it stand for?

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  • [–] 68 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.

    I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Nah, they chose it because the ccTLD along with few others had been free for a long time. I was there when lemmy was just a few months old.

    Someone made up these reference about marx/lenin claim and was perfect for wankies to circle jerk and the tankies didn't refute it or went along with it, so it stuck.

    Before that the free domains were mostly used for spam/phishing (because it was free and being similar to .mil), some called it machine learning, my links, my library and so on. US military sent lots of emails to this cctld because of unchecked typo.

    Except lemmy (& maybe reddit? to detract people from the fediverse), the .ml domain is not considered marxlenin anywhere else.

    https://dev.to/bauripalash/lets-get-your-own-free-domain-5f16

    https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/15vrq8o/now_with_freenom_closed_is_there_any_other_way_to/

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/us_military_mali_email_typos/

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx's slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.

    Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx's slow natural social evolution to communism

    Huh, I never thought I'd encounter an actual Menshevik on Lemmy.

    Please tell me through materialist historical analysis: without a strong vanguard party pushing for rapid collectivization in 1929 in pursuit of industrialization, and the rapid industrialization (15% GDP growth per year) between 1929 and 1941, what would have happened to all peoples standing between Berlin and the Urals?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Have you read either Marx or Lenin?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.

    Unlike the states built around Lenin's ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren't filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it's technically left or right.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I did think critically about what I read, and it's astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx' time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.

    And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?

    Also, I'm gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn't read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we're talking about comparisons to historical outcomes... And his view on the "free press" still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.

    Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn't really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.

    I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Lenin wasn't trying to erase that transition to communism is gradual, but instead correctly identified that the beginning of that transition is revolution, which Marxists at the time had erased from Marx. Dialectical materialism posits that there are revolutionary leaps after quantitative buildups, the transition to socialism is the beginning of the next long gradual process of achieving communism. He did not "force it under authoritarian boot heel," but instead was the leader of the bolsheviks, a mass party chosen by the working claases.

    Contrary to your position, Marxism-Leninism has successfully established socialism in many countries, and is so widely adopted by leftists partially because of its practical success. It's the western leftists that endlessly move goalposts to invalidate socialism outside the west that results in perpetuation of bourgeois narratives surrounding socialism as it exists in real life.

    Honestly, your appraisal of Lenin and Marx makes it come off as though you haven't actually read either. Have you?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    That’s like a doctor saying that shooting a patient in the head was a success because they don’t have headaches anymore.

    Doubling life expectancies, providing free and high quality healthcare and education, low-cost or free housing, full employment, reaching full literacy, democratizing the economy, defeating the Nazis, and taking a semi-feudal backwater to the pinnacle of scientific and technological development, even reaching space in a few decades, is not "shooting the patient in the head." None of your accusations make any sense.

    a party that seized control and maintained it’s grip on power with violence against the working class

    No? Fascists, capitalists, and landlords are oppressed by socialists, but not the working classes. More fantasy on your part, it's all vibes with you in the face of actual facts.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You'd be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren't some flavor of leftist.

    But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones

    Last time I checked, infosec.pub was the only instance of any nontrivial size (319 users / month) that was defederated from lemmy.ml.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    There's a push recently on lemmy to make people think that .ml instance is unpopular, it's user wrong and you should leave it or be ostracized.

    This is the nth post about it I've seen in the past few months.

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