A New York subway rider has accused a woman of breaking his Meta smart glasses. She was later hailed as a hero.

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[–] 30 points 11 months ago (99 children)

I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion, but what she did is really shitty and she should be charged with it. She could have at least asked him to stop before destroying property.

It's really no different than if she smashed someone's phone because they were recording video in public.

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  • [–] 107 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    She could have at least asked him to stop before destroying property.

    We don’t actually know that she didn’t, unless you’ve got another article with more detail. This article is sparse in details, but it’s only his word in it that she didn’t talk to him. That nobody was bothered by it. That it went from 0-100 in the span of a look.

    And idk about you, but that doesn’t sound all that likely to me, when everyone laughs at him for the consequences (seen in video). The whole thing screams this guy is an unreliable narrator. The whole thing to me reads like he knew he was pissing people off, like a YouTube prank channel sort of bother, and expected to walk away from it consequence free.

    This article has a bit more detail and it does make him sound like a shitty prank channel sort that relies on annoying other people going about their lives. But again has no info about the encounter except his own words.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/imagine-being-based-guy-says-143000399.html

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Was he recording up her dress? Looks like she's wearing jeans to me, personally

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry mate, I think I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying. To me, the point is what actually happened in this situation.

    I see you've mentioned sexual assault and harassment a lot in these comments - I don't see any reference to that in this article but it's hardly an article really is it, is there some more context that I'm missing from somewhere else?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    No worse. If they wanted to, structuring a well reasoned argument is challenging. Throwing out psyche bullshit np.

    Then if ask, OK now structure an equally strong and passionate argument for an opposing view.

    They'd just mentally be incapable. cuz that doesn't fit into pattern of reactions from a rage addict.

    Up to now have been strongly defending the guy. But fuck it this is a game. Now i'm her (watch as I get elected to office).

    We, as a society, a long time ago have consciously chosen to put emphasis on people feelings and avoid behaviors that predictably lead to conflict, demonization, and/or demoralization of minority or disadvantaged groups. Although in other societies these behaviors are tolerated, here they are not. Outsiders projecting their ideals upon us can go fuck themselves and the application of laws that perpetuate the societies we purposefully and intentionally no longer want to be associated with as well as can ill afford. From just the evidence presented and nothing more, it's plain to see this guy is targeting women on trains and it makes us uncomfortable and scared to ride the trains. The guy must be an out of towner cuz everyone here does not act this way. In Japan, there are separate cars for women. This change occurred from the harrassment culture that was perpetuated by manga anime and media. This change was instituted to make women in Japan feel safe again riding public transport and does not overly inconvenience men folk cuz it's only enforced during rush hours.

    Someone claiming they can do whatever they want cuz it's a public space is not acceptable here and shouldn't be. It breeds a confrontational society of self righteous warmongers that throws everyone but them into unsustainable unlivable lives. I'm surprised they don't all live in tents due to unaffordable housing while we find housing from people who really no longer need it. I like a roof over my head thank you.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That isn't what it is! That's like pointing at a 3d printer and calling it a gun manufacturing station. Sure, it can be used for that, but you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Not sure exactly how serious you are, but you can use a 3D printer without making guns. You cannot use cameras like these in public without massively invading people's privacy.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I hate everything about the dude in the video but breaking his property is a shitty response.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (56 children)

    Counter point: if you start filming me in public without my permission your phone is getting smashed, and I don’t care how shitty anybody thinks it is.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    I'm glad the law disagrees with you. Someone doing something you consider disrespectful doesn't justify assault and property damage.

    It sounds like you have some anger control issues going on if that's your go-to response.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    When you wake up and walk outside to the corner store, you've had like 40 devices filming you.... lol

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah but there’s a difference between a security cam and someone filming me to mock me on the internet. And for the record I’m not stoked about everything else filming me either.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    https://www.foia.gov/ - Entire youtube channels with millions of followers request city camera, body cams, court cams, traffic cams.... everything... and mock you on the internet. I don't disagree with your feelings just reminding you of the world we live in.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Nothing to do with privacy and everything to do with someone attempting to openly mock me and throw me on the internet without the expectation of consequences. It’s about respect.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (31 children)

    If you're in a public space, people may be filming you.

    It's a PUBLIC space, not yours. Your lack of self-control will rightly get you fucked up if you assault the wrong person, and there'll be a good chance of everyone watching a satisfying video of you getting punched while trying to take someone's phone.

    Control yourself, tough guy.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Here's different optics to consider: we know for many camera-enabled devices to deliver recordings to the cloud, where the data is used by authorities, often times in a very improper way.

    In US, it is coordinating ICE raids; in other countries, it's other kinds of shady and inhumane acts.

    Fighting this on the level of legislation is great...when it works. Overturning the power of a dictator authority or simply struggling against decisions that are made up above often takes illegal, brutal acts, or at least ones of misdemeanor.

    It sure never hurts to ask someone to stop first, but then I can see an angle when refusal is going to escalate things badly for reasons that could be understood.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The thing is, it may actually threaten someone's wellbeing.

    Surveillance, especially under a police state, can be a very clear and sometimes immediate threat.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I think the assumption people are making here with my original comment is that I wouldn’t first tell them to stop and delete whatever they had recorded. Which is my fault because I can see that from the way I said it. But if that doesn’t work? Well, they don’t just get to keep doing it.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    Fuck internet points.

    When in public, you can be recorded. Your permission isn't required. Public spaces belong to all. People have the right to film, take photos, and record audio. If you don't want that, campaign for legislation to change it. "Rudeness" isn't a legal term. If you can't tolerate being recorded in a public space, even "rudely", leave. Go somewhere else. If you assault someone recording you in public, you will potentially get the shit kicked out of you by that person, bystanders, and/or cops.

    The state, in a legalistic framework, has a near-monopoly on justified escalation to physical violence. The person recording you has to be assaulting you first or disturbing the peace to a degree that it endangers you or other people's safety in order for your violence to be justified as defense.

    You can't start a fight legally, but you can finish one. "Rudeness" isn't a good enough reason to start swinging.

    So again, control yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Forcefully grabbing someone's property to break it is assault.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It was self defense, and defense of others around her. In my book, that's just about as much if not more than the police does these days.

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