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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 9 points 11 months ago (18 children)

The complaint here is not that the headline is misleading; the complaint here is that the headline is true and reality is fucked.

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[+] tornavish@lemmy.cafe -8 points 11 months ago (17 children)

The headlines are specifically designed with words that make people panic. The same things can be said without doing that and still express concern.

You just want to disagree with me. But that’s okay, I have all day and I’ll die on this hill.

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[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

Okay, we have moved passed the headline in this part of the conversation.

What we are saying is the reality behind the headlines is nearly indistinguishable from satire.

You can die on whatever hill you want, but that’s not he hill we are even talking about.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (15 children)

How do you report on an email implying that Vladimir Putin has photo evidence of the President of the United States fellating someone without sounding sensationalist? What words would make that not sound like satire?

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 point 11 months ago (14 children)

Email Alleges That Russian President Possesses Compromising Photograph of U.S. President

Leaked Email Claims Putin Has Potentially Compromising Image of U.S. President

Correspondence Suggests Russian Leader Holds Sensitive Photo Involving U.S. President

Document Indicates Russia May Possess Material Described as Compromising to U.S. President

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Yeah those are are still pretty sensationalist, and that's with leaving out the bulk of the content. How do you divulge the content without sounding like satire? Anyone can make a crazy story sound sane by just not telling the crazy parts. You gotta tell the crazy parts too.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe -2 points 11 months ago (12 children)

I believe those are very bland headlines. If you think those are sensational, then I think the problem is not the headline.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (11 children)

A foreign leader has blackmail in the US President, that's sensational no matter how you slice it.

And you ignored the important part. How do you word reporting the content of the reported photos? How do you say that the alleged photo is of the president blowing someone without sounding like satire?

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe -1 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I don’t think anything about the situation is it all satire. It doesn’t feel like satire. It does not seem extreme. It seems like shit that just happens on a daily basis. One person has dirt on another person.

What you keep forgetting is that this is being delivered in such a way to cause an extreme reaction. Trump sucks Bubba is quite the headline.

What we are really talking about is that most people prefer the extreme headline, and that’s why those extreme headlines exist. Would you click on An article that had the headline that I created—or would you click on an article that said Trump accused of sucking Bill Clinton’s dick?

I think we both know the answer: we both would definitely click on that extreme headline.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

I think you're confused. You're assuming that because the headline is sensational, the cause is sensationalism.

Simple question: how do you convey all of the information "email suggests Putin has photos of Trump blowing someone"? You keep diverting. Answer the question.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 point 11 months ago (8 children)

Oh I see, how do I convey all the information in an entire article within one headline because you don’t want to read the article you just want to read the headline… Well, I don’t know how to help you. If you don’t know how to read or don’t want to read, that’s on you. I will say, that really does explain a lot about the United States. I hope you have the day you voted for

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (7 children)

No, you don't see. That wasn't what anyone said, you're just missing the point.

Stop focusing on headlines. How do you communicate the totality of the facts? Headline, article, wherever. It's like you're intentionally missing the point.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 point 11 months ago (6 children)

I feel you’re intentionally ignoring the point.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

No. You're focused on sensationalist headlines, the point is that no matter how you word the headline, the facts of reality being reported are objectively sensational. Even with the most sober and neutral tone, the things that are happening are so ridiculous they read as satire.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

People get their dicks sucked all the time… from other guys… but also, there is zero actual evidence—pending confirmation from Bill 🤞

So maybe that topic seems like satire… because it’s just speculation. If you mix speculation with sensational writing, it sounds like satire. It sounds like former Onion writers switched publications.

Perhaps we should stop posting speculation with sensational writing designed to make us excited.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

It is not speculation to report on the content of an email. The email said what it said, that is a fact.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but, “Bubba” was either Bill Clinton, Maxwell’s horse, an unknown party, a joke, or just a double entendre that might not even mean sex.

As much as I want that email to explicitly say that Donny blew Billy………. It does not.

I think the real problem is, you want these things to be true (as much as me), but you’re talking it a step further and calling it a fact before it actually is.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

No, the fact I'm referring to is the text of the email. Whether the text alludes to factual events is besides the point. The email exists, and it says what it says. Any thorough reporting on such a ridiculous situation is going to sound like satire.

And this is only one example. This is the latest in a never ending stream of ridiculous scandals and unbelievable turns of events. This is not the result of sensational headlines, this is the result of sensational events.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 1 point 11 months ago

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