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[+] nexguy@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (25 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children) Yeah democrats really care about the poor. And they totally wouldn't increase the ICE budget, and deportations. edit: By the way, you might want want to be a little less transparent with vote manipulation. I just banned 3 of your no-content alts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (16 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children) She has her own list of atrocities to account for, but most importantly, she's pro-israel, and pro-genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] spacesatan@leminal.space 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago The KHIVE is here to correct the record on her prison slave labor scandals, defense of white supremacist cops, disproportionate jailing of black people, and staunch support for Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago The point isn't to defend her now, it's to point out that it would have been much better if she won over trump. It's to point out that If you didn't vote for her, you are at fault for Trump's win. It's to point out that unless enough people figure out that concept real soon, we will lose the ability to gain some control in the midterms and we will probably lose our democracy for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (11 children) "Let me mention a few negligeable differences like crypto and ignore all the blatant similarities which actually matter" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago A genocide is not when Russia kills mostly soldiers. War crimes sure, but not everything is genocide. Also long range missiles are not "defensive weapons" permalink fedilink source parent [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago (9 children) Those are small differences to you? Wow. Anyway, this infighting is exactly what the shit-ass gop wants. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You advocating that people should vote for the duopoly is exactly what the duopoly wants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com -20 points 1 year ago (7 children) The Trump term has literally seen a truce to the genocide in Palestine. This isn't an endorsement of Trump, he's a fascist piece of shit, but to those constantly bickering about genocide being worse under Trump, where are you now?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) No one actually believes he ended the war There is no war, there is an ongoing genocide of Palestinians by the settler colony of Israel. And yes, the genocide very much didn't end unfortunately, and it won't end until Isntreal is driven out of the region. But it has been ameliorated. By all accounts, dem supporters constantly were ranting about how "not voting for Kamala worsens the genocide", and this is, factually, not what we're seeing. Trump has purposefully made the genocide in Ukraine far worse There isn't genocide in Ukraine, there is an inter-imperialist war going on in Ukraine. Using the label "genocide" to every conflict is very harmful to people like Palestinians who are actively being starved en-masse and kept out of reach of basic medicine, healthcare and even fucking drinking water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moakley@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) There isn’t genocide in Ukraine When Russia started relocating Ukrainian children into Russian families, that made it a coordinated effort to eliminate a people, which makes it a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones? Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) After 2 years of insisting, Ukraine provided list of 339 names of missing children of which 161 were found living with parents in Germany. The entire "kidnapped children" take is pure atrocity propaganda. On the other side, in 2014-2022 Ukraine killed 15000 people in Donbas and forced millions more to migrate. THIS is considtent with UN definition of genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified. As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago Some of the countries that have officially labeled Russia's brutal invasion as a genocide include [list of geopolitical enemies of Russia] France can't even fucking recognize the state of Palestine until like a week ago, and now they're authorities in genocide? Fuck them. As for your points list: #1 goes mostly from claims by the Ukrainian government. It is true that Russia has extracted children from the warzone and it is true that in some cases these children have been sent to adoptive families in Russia, which I heavily condemn, but it's not a generalized thing and most confirmed extracted children have been returned eventually. The official numbers by the Ukrainian government aren't confirmed by any investigative journalism and the invaded Ukrainian state has obvious motivations to claim abduction of Ukrainian children and violations of human rights. The Russian government makes similar claims of forced de-Russification of ethnic Russians in Donbas to justify its invasion of Ukraine, which I hope you don't take seriously because it's obviously state propaganda. #2 A statement doesn't make a genocide. #3 Civilian deaths in the Ukrainian war, by any metric you want to use, are contained compared to any imperialist war carried out by the west. Civilian death ratio in the unlawful and horrifying invasion of Iraq was comparably much higher and it wasn't a genocide in my opinion (probably not in yours either). However horrifying the invasion of Ukraine is, it responds to patterns of war between nations, not of genocide attempts against a population. #4 Isolated instances of war crimes don't imply a generalized intent to massacre civilians of a given ethnicity. War crimes are horrible and the perpetrators should be brought to justice, but again, the scale you bring of "hundreds" doesn't respond to genocidal goals. Massacres of civilians take place in many wars (see Vietnam, Libya...) and are war crimes, but not every war crime is genocide. Please, do not dillute the meaning of the word "genocide". It's meant to carry an extremely heavy connotation of attempt of total extermination of an ethnicity and culture, and throwing it around lightly is an injury to people suffering from it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children) Yeah democrats really care about the poor. And they totally wouldn't increase the ICE budget, and deportations. edit: By the way, you might want want to be a little less transparent with vote manipulation. I just banned 3 of your no-content alts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (16 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children) She has her own list of atrocities to account for, but most importantly, she's pro-israel, and pro-genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] spacesatan@leminal.space 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago The KHIVE is here to correct the record on her prison slave labor scandals, defense of white supremacist cops, disproportionate jailing of black people, and staunch support for Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago The point isn't to defend her now, it's to point out that it would have been much better if she won over trump. It's to point out that If you didn't vote for her, you are at fault for Trump's win. It's to point out that unless enough people figure out that concept real soon, we will lose the ability to gain some control in the midterms and we will probably lose our democracy for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (11 children) "Let me mention a few negligeable differences like crypto and ignore all the blatant similarities which actually matter" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago A genocide is not when Russia kills mostly soldiers. War crimes sure, but not everything is genocide. Also long range missiles are not "defensive weapons" permalink fedilink source parent [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago (9 children) Those are small differences to you? Wow. Anyway, this infighting is exactly what the shit-ass gop wants. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You advocating that people should vote for the duopoly is exactly what the duopoly wants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] nexguy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (16 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children) She has her own list of atrocities to account for, but most importantly, she's pro-israel, and pro-genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] spacesatan@leminal.space 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago The KHIVE is here to correct the record on her prison slave labor scandals, defense of white supremacist cops, disproportionate jailing of black people, and staunch support for Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago The point isn't to defend her now, it's to point out that it would have been much better if she won over trump. It's to point out that If you didn't vote for her, you are at fault for Trump's win. It's to point out that unless enough people figure out that concept real soon, we will lose the ability to gain some control in the midterms and we will probably lose our democracy for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (11 children) "Let me mention a few negligeable differences like crypto and ignore all the blatant similarities which actually matter" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago A genocide is not when Russia kills mostly soldiers. War crimes sure, but not everything is genocide. Also long range missiles are not "defensive weapons" permalink fedilink source parent [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago (9 children) Those are small differences to you? Wow. Anyway, this infighting is exactly what the shit-ass gop wants. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You advocating that people should vote for the duopoly is exactly what the duopoly wants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (3 children) She has her own list of atrocities to account for, but most importantly, she's pro-israel, and pro-genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] spacesatan@leminal.space 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago The KHIVE is here to correct the record on her prison slave labor scandals, defense of white supremacist cops, disproportionate jailing of black people, and staunch support for Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago The point isn't to defend her now, it's to point out that it would have been much better if she won over trump. It's to point out that If you didn't vote for her, you are at fault for Trump's win. It's to point out that unless enough people figure out that concept real soon, we will lose the ability to gain some control in the midterms and we will probably lose our democracy for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] spacesatan@leminal.space 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago The KHIVE is here to correct the record on her prison slave labor scandals, defense of white supremacist cops, disproportionate jailing of black people, and staunch support for Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago The point isn't to defend her now, it's to point out that it would have been much better if she won over trump. It's to point out that If you didn't vote for her, you are at fault for Trump's win. It's to point out that unless enough people figure out that concept real soon, we will lose the ability to gain some control in the midterms and we will probably lose our democracy for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago The KHIVE is here to correct the record on her prison slave labor scandals, defense of white supremacist cops, disproportionate jailing of black people, and staunch support for Israel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago The point isn't to defend her now, it's to point out that it would have been much better if she won over trump. It's to point out that If you didn't vote for her, you are at fault for Trump's win. It's to point out that unless enough people figure out that concept real soon, we will lose the ability to gain some control in the midterms and we will probably lose our democracy for the foreseeable future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (11 children) "Let me mention a few negligeable differences like crypto and ignore all the blatant similarities which actually matter" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago A genocide is not when Russia kills mostly soldiers. War crimes sure, but not everything is genocide. Also long range missiles are not "defensive weapons" permalink fedilink source parent [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago (9 children) Those are small differences to you? Wow. Anyway, this infighting is exactly what the shit-ass gop wants. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You advocating that people should vote for the duopoly is exactly what the duopoly wants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago A genocide is not when Russia kills mostly soldiers. War crimes sure, but not everything is genocide. Also long range missiles are not "defensive weapons" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago A genocide is not when Russia kills mostly soldiers. War crimes sure, but not everything is genocide. Also long range missiles are not "defensive weapons" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -7 points 1 year ago (9 children) Those are small differences to you? Wow. Anyway, this infighting is exactly what the shit-ass gop wants. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You advocating that people should vote for the duopoly is exactly what the duopoly wants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You advocating that people should vote for the duopoly is exactly what the duopoly wants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) Notice I didn't say that either. Good reading skills, chump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) what the hell is this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anoriginalthought@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFsYsMa31g permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) You mean champ. Or chimp? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhantomOfficial07@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) It just redirected me to your profile when I clicked that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago Nah. Kinda embarrassing to come back this late. Good luck with whatever's going on I guess 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com -20 points 1 year ago (7 children) The Trump term has literally seen a truce to the genocide in Palestine. This isn't an endorsement of Trump, he's a fascist piece of shit, but to those constantly bickering about genocide being worse under Trump, where are you now?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] nexguy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) No one actually believes he ended the war There is no war, there is an ongoing genocide of Palestinians by the settler colony of Israel. And yes, the genocide very much didn't end unfortunately, and it won't end until Isntreal is driven out of the region. But it has been ameliorated. By all accounts, dem supporters constantly were ranting about how "not voting for Kamala worsens the genocide", and this is, factually, not what we're seeing. Trump has purposefully made the genocide in Ukraine far worse There isn't genocide in Ukraine, there is an inter-imperialist war going on in Ukraine. Using the label "genocide" to every conflict is very harmful to people like Palestinians who are actively being starved en-masse and kept out of reach of basic medicine, healthcare and even fucking drinking water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moakley@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) There isn’t genocide in Ukraine When Russia started relocating Ukrainian children into Russian families, that made it a coordinated effort to eliminate a people, which makes it a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones? Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) After 2 years of insisting, Ukraine provided list of 339 names of missing children of which 161 were found living with parents in Germany. The entire "kidnapped children" take is pure atrocity propaganda. On the other side, in 2014-2022 Ukraine killed 15000 people in Donbas and forced millions more to migrate. THIS is considtent with UN definition of genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified. As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago Some of the countries that have officially labeled Russia's brutal invasion as a genocide include [list of geopolitical enemies of Russia] France can't even fucking recognize the state of Palestine until like a week ago, and now they're authorities in genocide? Fuck them. As for your points list: #1 goes mostly from claims by the Ukrainian government. It is true that Russia has extracted children from the warzone and it is true that in some cases these children have been sent to adoptive families in Russia, which I heavily condemn, but it's not a generalized thing and most confirmed extracted children have been returned eventually. The official numbers by the Ukrainian government aren't confirmed by any investigative journalism and the invaded Ukrainian state has obvious motivations to claim abduction of Ukrainian children and violations of human rights. The Russian government makes similar claims of forced de-Russification of ethnic Russians in Donbas to justify its invasion of Ukraine, which I hope you don't take seriously because it's obviously state propaganda. #2 A statement doesn't make a genocide. #3 Civilian deaths in the Ukrainian war, by any metric you want to use, are contained compared to any imperialist war carried out by the west. Civilian death ratio in the unlawful and horrifying invasion of Iraq was comparably much higher and it wasn't a genocide in my opinion (probably not in yours either). However horrifying the invasion of Ukraine is, it responds to patterns of war between nations, not of genocide attempts against a population. #4 Isolated instances of war crimes don't imply a generalized intent to massacre civilians of a given ethnicity. War crimes are horrible and the perpetrators should be brought to justice, but again, the scale you bring of "hundreds" doesn't respond to genocidal goals. Massacres of civilians take place in many wars (see Vietnam, Libya...) and are war crimes, but not every war crime is genocide. Please, do not dillute the meaning of the word "genocide". It's meant to carry an extremely heavy connotation of attempt of total extermination of an ethnicity and culture, and throwing it around lightly is an injury to people suffering from it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] nexguy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) No one actually believes he ended the war There is no war, there is an ongoing genocide of Palestinians by the settler colony of Israel. And yes, the genocide very much didn't end unfortunately, and it won't end until Isntreal is driven out of the region. But it has been ameliorated. By all accounts, dem supporters constantly were ranting about how "not voting for Kamala worsens the genocide", and this is, factually, not what we're seeing. Trump has purposefully made the genocide in Ukraine far worse There isn't genocide in Ukraine, there is an inter-imperialist war going on in Ukraine. Using the label "genocide" to every conflict is very harmful to people like Palestinians who are actively being starved en-masse and kept out of reach of basic medicine, healthcare and even fucking drinking water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moakley@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) There isn’t genocide in Ukraine When Russia started relocating Ukrainian children into Russian families, that made it a coordinated effort to eliminate a people, which makes it a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones? Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) After 2 years of insisting, Ukraine provided list of 339 names of missing children of which 161 were found living with parents in Germany. The entire "kidnapped children" take is pure atrocity propaganda. On the other side, in 2014-2022 Ukraine killed 15000 people in Donbas and forced millions more to migrate. THIS is considtent with UN definition of genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified. As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago Some of the countries that have officially labeled Russia's brutal invasion as a genocide include [list of geopolitical enemies of Russia] France can't even fucking recognize the state of Palestine until like a week ago, and now they're authorities in genocide? Fuck them. As for your points list: #1 goes mostly from claims by the Ukrainian government. It is true that Russia has extracted children from the warzone and it is true that in some cases these children have been sent to adoptive families in Russia, which I heavily condemn, but it's not a generalized thing and most confirmed extracted children have been returned eventually. The official numbers by the Ukrainian government aren't confirmed by any investigative journalism and the invaded Ukrainian state has obvious motivations to claim abduction of Ukrainian children and violations of human rights. The Russian government makes similar claims of forced de-Russification of ethnic Russians in Donbas to justify its invasion of Ukraine, which I hope you don't take seriously because it's obviously state propaganda. #2 A statement doesn't make a genocide. #3 Civilian deaths in the Ukrainian war, by any metric you want to use, are contained compared to any imperialist war carried out by the west. Civilian death ratio in the unlawful and horrifying invasion of Iraq was comparably much higher and it wasn't a genocide in my opinion (probably not in yours either). However horrifying the invasion of Ukraine is, it responds to patterns of war between nations, not of genocide attempts against a population. #4 Isolated instances of war crimes don't imply a generalized intent to massacre civilians of a given ethnicity. War crimes are horrible and the perpetrators should be brought to justice, but again, the scale you bring of "hundreds" doesn't respond to genocidal goals. Massacres of civilians take place in many wars (see Vietnam, Libya...) and are war crimes, but not every war crime is genocide. Please, do not dillute the meaning of the word "genocide". It's meant to carry an extremely heavy connotation of attempt of total extermination of an ethnicity and culture, and throwing it around lightly is an injury to people suffering from it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (6 children) No one actually believes he ended the war There is no war, there is an ongoing genocide of Palestinians by the settler colony of Israel. And yes, the genocide very much didn't end unfortunately, and it won't end until Isntreal is driven out of the region. But it has been ameliorated. By all accounts, dem supporters constantly were ranting about how "not voting for Kamala worsens the genocide", and this is, factually, not what we're seeing. Trump has purposefully made the genocide in Ukraine far worse There isn't genocide in Ukraine, there is an inter-imperialist war going on in Ukraine. Using the label "genocide" to every conflict is very harmful to people like Palestinians who are actively being starved en-masse and kept out of reach of basic medicine, healthcare and even fucking drinking water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] moakley@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) There isn’t genocide in Ukraine When Russia started relocating Ukrainian children into Russian families, that made it a coordinated effort to eliminate a people, which makes it a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones? Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) After 2 years of insisting, Ukraine provided list of 339 names of missing children of which 161 were found living with parents in Germany. The entire "kidnapped children" take is pure atrocity propaganda. On the other side, in 2014-2022 Ukraine killed 15000 people in Donbas and forced millions more to migrate. THIS is considtent with UN definition of genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified. As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] nexguy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago Some of the countries that have officially labeled Russia's brutal invasion as a genocide include [list of geopolitical enemies of Russia] France can't even fucking recognize the state of Palestine until like a week ago, and now they're authorities in genocide? Fuck them. As for your points list: #1 goes mostly from claims by the Ukrainian government. It is true that Russia has extracted children from the warzone and it is true that in some cases these children have been sent to adoptive families in Russia, which I heavily condemn, but it's not a generalized thing and most confirmed extracted children have been returned eventually. The official numbers by the Ukrainian government aren't confirmed by any investigative journalism and the invaded Ukrainian state has obvious motivations to claim abduction of Ukrainian children and violations of human rights. The Russian government makes similar claims of forced de-Russification of ethnic Russians in Donbas to justify its invasion of Ukraine, which I hope you don't take seriously because it's obviously state propaganda. #2 A statement doesn't make a genocide. #3 Civilian deaths in the Ukrainian war, by any metric you want to use, are contained compared to any imperialist war carried out by the west. Civilian death ratio in the unlawful and horrifying invasion of Iraq was comparably much higher and it wasn't a genocide in my opinion (probably not in yours either). However horrifying the invasion of Ukraine is, it responds to patterns of war between nations, not of genocide attempts against a population. #4 Isolated instances of war crimes don't imply a generalized intent to massacre civilians of a given ethnicity. War crimes are horrible and the perpetrators should be brought to justice, but again, the scale you bring of "hundreds" doesn't respond to genocidal goals. Massacres of civilians take place in many wars (see Vietnam, Libya...) and are war crimes, but not every war crime is genocide. Please, do not dillute the meaning of the word "genocide". It's meant to carry an extremely heavy connotation of attempt of total extermination of an ethnicity and culture, and throwing it around lightly is an injury to people suffering from it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] moakley@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) There isn’t genocide in Ukraine When Russia started relocating Ukrainian children into Russian families, that made it a coordinated effort to eliminate a people, which makes it a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones? Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) After 2 years of insisting, Ukraine provided list of 339 names of missing children of which 161 were found living with parents in Germany. The entire "kidnapped children" take is pure atrocity propaganda. On the other side, in 2014-2022 Ukraine killed 15000 people in Donbas and forced millions more to migrate. THIS is considtent with UN definition of genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified. As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago You mean when they fulfilled their obligations under international law to move children away from active war zones? Fucking monsters, they didn't even put a wall of them in front of their weapons like true humanitarians in Ukraine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) After 2 years of insisting, Ukraine provided list of 339 names of missing children of which 161 were found living with parents in Germany. The entire "kidnapped children" take is pure atrocity propaganda. On the other side, in 2014-2022 Ukraine killed 15000 people in Donbas and forced millions more to migrate. THIS is considtent with UN definition of genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] moakley@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago Yeah sure everything you don't like is Putin personal propaganda, i wish you swift and hard crash with reality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago Most of the claims of relocation of Ukrainian children to Russian families come from the government of Ukraine, not from independent investigative journalism. The Ukrainian government has obvious reasons to do this atrocity propaganda. The Russian government itself justified the start of the war on similar grounds, arguing that Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine were being genocided by Ukraine through forced Ukrainization and the banning of Russian language. I don't take the Russian government seriously when it makes such claims because I haven't seen much independent journalism confirming it, I apply the same reasoning to the claim of Ukrainian children being kidnapped en-masse and forcibly Russified. As far as I know, there are only a handful of independently confirmed cases of Ukrainian children being sent to adoptive families in Russia, and most children evacuated by the Russian military have been returned to their families in Ukraine. There aren't many cases of either because, as you may expect, in an attrition war in which the movements of the frontline are slow, there are very few children near the frontlines. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] nexguy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago Some of the countries that have officially labeled Russia's brutal invasion as a genocide include [list of geopolitical enemies of Russia] France can't even fucking recognize the state of Palestine until like a week ago, and now they're authorities in genocide? Fuck them. As for your points list: #1 goes mostly from claims by the Ukrainian government. It is true that Russia has extracted children from the warzone and it is true that in some cases these children have been sent to adoptive families in Russia, which I heavily condemn, but it's not a generalized thing and most confirmed extracted children have been returned eventually. The official numbers by the Ukrainian government aren't confirmed by any investigative journalism and the invaded Ukrainian state has obvious motivations to claim abduction of Ukrainian children and violations of human rights. The Russian government makes similar claims of forced de-Russification of ethnic Russians in Donbas to justify its invasion of Ukraine, which I hope you don't take seriously because it's obviously state propaganda. #2 A statement doesn't make a genocide. #3 Civilian deaths in the Ukrainian war, by any metric you want to use, are contained compared to any imperialist war carried out by the west. Civilian death ratio in the unlawful and horrifying invasion of Iraq was comparably much higher and it wasn't a genocide in my opinion (probably not in yours either). However horrifying the invasion of Ukraine is, it responds to patterns of war between nations, not of genocide attempts against a population. #4 Isolated instances of war crimes don't imply a generalized intent to massacre civilians of a given ethnicity. War crimes are horrible and the perpetrators should be brought to justice, but again, the scale you bring of "hundreds" doesn't respond to genocidal goals. Massacres of civilians take place in many wars (see Vietnam, Libya...) and are war crimes, but not every war crime is genocide. Please, do not dillute the meaning of the word "genocide". It's meant to carry an extremely heavy connotation of attempt of total extermination of an ethnicity and culture, and throwing it around lightly is an injury to people suffering from it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago Some of the countries that have officially labeled Russia's brutal invasion as a genocide include [list of geopolitical enemies of Russia] France can't even fucking recognize the state of Palestine until like a week ago, and now they're authorities in genocide? Fuck them. As for your points list: #1 goes mostly from claims by the Ukrainian government. It is true that Russia has extracted children from the warzone and it is true that in some cases these children have been sent to adoptive families in Russia, which I heavily condemn, but it's not a generalized thing and most confirmed extracted children have been returned eventually. The official numbers by the Ukrainian government aren't confirmed by any investigative journalism and the invaded Ukrainian state has obvious motivations to claim abduction of Ukrainian children and violations of human rights. The Russian government makes similar claims of forced de-Russification of ethnic Russians in Donbas to justify its invasion of Ukraine, which I hope you don't take seriously because it's obviously state propaganda. #2 A statement doesn't make a genocide. #3 Civilian deaths in the Ukrainian war, by any metric you want to use, are contained compared to any imperialist war carried out by the west. Civilian death ratio in the unlawful and horrifying invasion of Iraq was comparably much higher and it wasn't a genocide in my opinion (probably not in yours either). However horrifying the invasion of Ukraine is, it responds to patterns of war between nations, not of genocide attempts against a population. #4 Isolated instances of war crimes don't imply a generalized intent to massacre civilians of a given ethnicity. War crimes are horrible and the perpetrators should be brought to justice, but again, the scale you bring of "hundreds" doesn't respond to genocidal goals. Massacres of civilians take place in many wars (see Vietnam, Libya...) and are war crimes, but not every war crime is genocide. Please, do not dillute the meaning of the word "genocide". It's meant to carry an extremely heavy connotation of attempt of total extermination of an ethnicity and culture, and throwing it around lightly is an injury to people suffering from it. permalink fedilink source parent