▲ 122 ▼ What’s something you own that has truly paid for itself? (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 1 year ago by Davy_Jones@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml 231 comments fedilink hide all child comments I’m curious, what’s an item, tool, or purchase you own that you feel has completely justified its cost over time? Could be anything from a gadget to a piece of furniture or even software. What made it worth it for you?
[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 75 points 1 year ago (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (4 children) Wow. Thats very cool. I'm planning on getting a solar system installed this winter too (costs less in the winter). Here power supply is not reliable but solar is fairly cheap thanks to China. Infact I'm pretty sure we have a very impressive solar system for a country of our status. (Pakistan) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago I've got a 5kw battery/solar system for my little off the grid trailer home. Batteries were at $1000 a piece, at 2.5 kw a piece, last year. They are currently $800 each so prices are dropping year over year permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago Bit different here. You can be on grid or off grid too. But the government has limits. They don't want to buy all the power lol. Despite the fact that they don't produce enough themselves. You are put on a waitlist first. Now we do have one side of the house under solar already for a year. But thats my uncles side, and they are on grid by now plus have have batteries. And yep batteries are the expensive part here too. But you can manage a combination too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Batteries are quite expensive. Lead-acid batteries are readily available, but don't really work well for powering a house on a regular basis, because they don't have a very long life cycle. LiON batteries work very well, but they're fire hazards. Even worse, if you live in an area where you get freezing temperatures, they must be kept inside, because they can't be allowed to freeze if you're cycling them. LiFePO4 is the current best option. If you don't charge them above 80, 85%, and never discharge below 20%, you should have a nearly infinite lifespan. But that means that for every 30kWh of power you use, you want 50kWh of battery. And currently LiFePO4 battery banks run approx. $1000/kWh (+/- depending on band). If you heat your home with electricity, and you live in e.g. North Dakota, you're going to want more like 200kWh of batteries, because even high efficiency heat pumps can suck a lot of power when it's -20F. I'm currently working on getting a 17.7kW system approved by the local utility. It looks like I'll need to step down what I'm feeding into the grid, because the line capacity out where I live is only 10kW, and they will only approve 75% of the line capacity for grid-tied systems. permalink fedilink source parent [–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You drink the rainwater? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) I think that's a cool option for preparedness, but seems like a bit of a hassle compared to just using municipal water. But I'm guessing the municipal water is also fairly expensive where you live permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Im my experience, the expensive park of the water bill is actually the sewer expenses. Are you on septic or do you use municipal sewer? Do you have a water/sewer bill at all in the months youre not using their water? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) Filters, hommie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, I know, but wouldn’t those also increase the cost? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I pay $200 a month for water in the seattle suburbs, plus $180 for city drainage, and a one time $25k fee for hook up to the water system. So yeah filters might be a cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] trilobite@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) When you say "I close city water', sounds like you are also drinking that water? Sounds like a cool idea that I too have been thinking about. That water needs disinfection though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) How did you get the tanks in your basement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (4 children) Wow. Thats very cool. I'm planning on getting a solar system installed this winter too (costs less in the winter). Here power supply is not reliable but solar is fairly cheap thanks to China. Infact I'm pretty sure we have a very impressive solar system for a country of our status. (Pakistan) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago I've got a 5kw battery/solar system for my little off the grid trailer home. Batteries were at $1000 a piece, at 2.5 kw a piece, last year. They are currently $800 each so prices are dropping year over year permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago Bit different here. You can be on grid or off grid too. But the government has limits. They don't want to buy all the power lol. Despite the fact that they don't produce enough themselves. You are put on a waitlist first. Now we do have one side of the house under solar already for a year. But thats my uncles side, and they are on grid by now plus have have batteries. And yep batteries are the expensive part here too. But you can manage a combination too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Batteries are quite expensive. Lead-acid batteries are readily available, but don't really work well for powering a house on a regular basis, because they don't have a very long life cycle. LiON batteries work very well, but they're fire hazards. Even worse, if you live in an area where you get freezing temperatures, they must be kept inside, because they can't be allowed to freeze if you're cycling them. LiFePO4 is the current best option. If you don't charge them above 80, 85%, and never discharge below 20%, you should have a nearly infinite lifespan. But that means that for every 30kWh of power you use, you want 50kWh of battery. And currently LiFePO4 battery banks run approx. $1000/kWh (+/- depending on band). If you heat your home with electricity, and you live in e.g. North Dakota, you're going to want more like 200kWh of batteries, because even high efficiency heat pumps can suck a lot of power when it's -20F. I'm currently working on getting a 17.7kW system approved by the local utility. It looks like I'll need to step down what I'm feeding into the grid, because the line capacity out where I live is only 10kW, and they will only approve 75% of the line capacity for grid-tied systems. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago I've got a 5kw battery/solar system for my little off the grid trailer home. Batteries were at $1000 a piece, at 2.5 kw a piece, last year. They are currently $800 each so prices are dropping year over year permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago Bit different here. You can be on grid or off grid too. But the government has limits. They don't want to buy all the power lol. Despite the fact that they don't produce enough themselves. You are put on a waitlist first. Now we do have one side of the house under solar already for a year. But thats my uncles side, and they are on grid by now plus have have batteries. And yep batteries are the expensive part here too. But you can manage a combination too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Batteries are quite expensive. Lead-acid batteries are readily available, but don't really work well for powering a house on a regular basis, because they don't have a very long life cycle. LiON batteries work very well, but they're fire hazards. Even worse, if you live in an area where you get freezing temperatures, they must be kept inside, because they can't be allowed to freeze if you're cycling them. LiFePO4 is the current best option. If you don't charge them above 80, 85%, and never discharge below 20%, you should have a nearly infinite lifespan. But that means that for every 30kWh of power you use, you want 50kWh of battery. And currently LiFePO4 battery banks run approx. $1000/kWh (+/- depending on band). If you heat your home with electricity, and you live in e.g. North Dakota, you're going to want more like 200kWh of batteries, because even high efficiency heat pumps can suck a lot of power when it's -20F. I'm currently working on getting a 17.7kW system approved by the local utility. It looks like I'll need to step down what I'm feeding into the grid, because the line capacity out where I live is only 10kW, and they will only approve 75% of the line capacity for grid-tied systems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago I've got a 5kw battery/solar system for my little off the grid trailer home. Batteries were at $1000 a piece, at 2.5 kw a piece, last year. They are currently $800 each so prices are dropping year over year permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago Bit different here. You can be on grid or off grid too. But the government has limits. They don't want to buy all the power lol. Despite the fact that they don't produce enough themselves. You are put on a waitlist first. Now we do have one side of the house under solar already for a year. But thats my uncles side, and they are on grid by now plus have have batteries. And yep batteries are the expensive part here too. But you can manage a combination too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Batteries are quite expensive. Lead-acid batteries are readily available, but don't really work well for powering a house on a regular basis, because they don't have a very long life cycle. LiON batteries work very well, but they're fire hazards. Even worse, if you live in an area where you get freezing temperatures, they must be kept inside, because they can't be allowed to freeze if you're cycling them. LiFePO4 is the current best option. If you don't charge them above 80, 85%, and never discharge below 20%, you should have a nearly infinite lifespan. But that means that for every 30kWh of power you use, you want 50kWh of battery. And currently LiFePO4 battery banks run approx. $1000/kWh (+/- depending on band). If you heat your home with electricity, and you live in e.g. North Dakota, you're going to want more like 200kWh of batteries, because even high efficiency heat pumps can suck a lot of power when it's -20F. I'm currently working on getting a 17.7kW system approved by the local utility. It looks like I'll need to step down what I'm feeding into the grid, because the line capacity out where I live is only 10kW, and they will only approve 75% of the line capacity for grid-tied systems. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (8 children) You drink the rainwater? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) I think that's a cool option for preparedness, but seems like a bit of a hassle compared to just using municipal water. But I'm guessing the municipal water is also fairly expensive where you live permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Im my experience, the expensive park of the water bill is actually the sewer expenses. Are you on septic or do you use municipal sewer? Do you have a water/sewer bill at all in the months youre not using their water? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) Filters, hommie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, I know, but wouldn’t those also increase the cost? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I pay $200 a month for water in the seattle suburbs, plus $180 for city drainage, and a one time $25k fee for hook up to the water system. So yeah filters might be a cost. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) I think that's a cool option for preparedness, but seems like a bit of a hassle compared to just using municipal water. But I'm guessing the municipal water is also fairly expensive where you live permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Im my experience, the expensive park of the water bill is actually the sewer expenses. Are you on septic or do you use municipal sewer? Do you have a water/sewer bill at all in the months youre not using their water? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) I think that's a cool option for preparedness, but seems like a bit of a hassle compared to just using municipal water. But I'm guessing the municipal water is also fairly expensive where you live permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Im my experience, the expensive park of the water bill is actually the sewer expenses. Are you on septic or do you use municipal sewer? Do you have a water/sewer bill at all in the months youre not using their water? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Im my experience, the expensive park of the water bill is actually the sewer expenses. Are you on septic or do you use municipal sewer? Do you have a water/sewer bill at all in the months youre not using their water? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Im my experience, the expensive park of the water bill is actually the sewer expenses. Are you on septic or do you use municipal sewer? Do you have a water/sewer bill at all in the months youre not using their water? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) Filters, hommie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, I know, but wouldn’t those also increase the cost? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I pay $200 a month for water in the seattle suburbs, plus $180 for city drainage, and a one time $25k fee for hook up to the water system. So yeah filters might be a cost. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, I know, but wouldn’t those also increase the cost? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I pay $200 a month for water in the seattle suburbs, plus $180 for city drainage, and a one time $25k fee for hook up to the water system. So yeah filters might be a cost. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago I pay $200 a month for water in the seattle suburbs, plus $180 for city drainage, and a one time $25k fee for hook up to the water system. So yeah filters might be a cost. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trilobite@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) When you say "I close city water', sounds like you are also drinking that water? Sounds like a cool idea that I too have been thinking about. That water needs disinfection though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) How did you get the tanks in your basement? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)