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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago (42 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 42 child comments replies: [+] village604@adultswim.fan -17 points 1 year ago (12 children) China is by no means a socialist country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago The PRC is a mixed economy, with the planned, socialist sector dominant, and a limited/restricted private sector. Is China State Capitalist? The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee. Workplace democracy in action in the CPC. Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values? Didn't China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn't it liberalize its economy? Is China's drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies? Is the CPC committed to communism? The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism? Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism? Isn't China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn't it fully planned like the USSR was? Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries. Roderic Day - China has billionaires. What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)? How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev's market reforms?, 2 Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2 Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism? Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist? Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019. China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic How the State runs business in China. 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP. China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) Maybe spend a bit of time learning what words mean before using them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children) What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] village604@adultswim.fan -14 points 1 year ago China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy. You can't have a stock market and be a socialist economy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -19 points 1 year ago (28 children) And that socialist country can be developing and also bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (4 children) A socialist country can be bad, but if this is what you consider bad the sign me up to live in a "bad" country. 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes Student debt in China is virtually non-existent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/ Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j People in China enjoy high levels of social mobility https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9 Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China%E2%80%99s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4 From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&%3Blocations=CN&%3Bstart=2008 By the end of 2020, extreme poverty, defined as living on under a threshold of around $2 per day, had been eliminated in China. According to the World Bank, the Chinese government had spent $700 billion on poverty alleviation since 2014. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/world/asia/china-poverty-xi-jinping.html Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Was it you who recently posted an article that China now has a minimum wage that exceeds US minimum wage at $8/hr? I believe so, but it may have been in geopolitics somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh don't think it was me, but that's pretty incredible to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago I have neighbors who would appreciate that wage. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Mongostein@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago Sure, but do the Uyghurs get to enjoy all this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (11 children) I'd love to hear one thing you think China is doing that is bad that the US is not also doing to a larger degree. Please enlighten me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* This happens every time. When you actually ask what the "bad" part is, they just deflect. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -23 points 1 year ago (9 children) Both are bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (8 children) Ah nothing of substance to add got it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (7 children) .ml ain’t worth the effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-2 replies) [–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago And what are we doing not learning the good parts? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) @Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@tldrbot please help 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago Tell me you have no idea of the history of Tibet without telling me permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Sanctus@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminder its always a competition between who sucks the least. Another reminder that all the worlds most powerful nations are all spearheading censorships of one kind or another. The future doesnt look luxury or gay anymore. It looks redacted permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago What a stupid world permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] village604@adultswim.fan -17 points 1 year ago (12 children) China is by no means a socialist country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago The PRC is a mixed economy, with the planned, socialist sector dominant, and a limited/restricted private sector. Is China State Capitalist? The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee. Workplace democracy in action in the CPC. Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values? Didn't China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn't it liberalize its economy? Is China's drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies? Is the CPC committed to communism? The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism? Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism? Isn't China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn't it fully planned like the USSR was? Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries. Roderic Day - China has billionaires. What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)? How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev's market reforms?, 2 Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2 Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism? Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist? Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019. China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic How the State runs business in China. 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP. China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) Maybe spend a bit of time learning what words mean before using them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children) What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] village604@adultswim.fan -14 points 1 year ago China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy. You can't have a stock market and be a socialist economy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago The PRC is a mixed economy, with the planned, socialist sector dominant, and a limited/restricted private sector. Is China State Capitalist? The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee. Workplace democracy in action in the CPC. Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values? Didn't China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn't it liberalize its economy? Is China's drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies? Is the CPC committed to communism? The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism? Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism? Isn't China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn't it fully planned like the USSR was? Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries. Roderic Day - China has billionaires. What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)? How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev's market reforms?, 2 Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2 Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism? Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist? Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019. China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic How the State runs business in China. 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP. China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) Maybe spend a bit of time learning what words mean before using them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children) What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] village604@adultswim.fan -14 points 1 year ago China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy. You can't have a stock market and be a socialist economy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (6 children) I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children) What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children) What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago (5 children) What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -6 points 1 year ago (4 children) OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] village604@adultswim.fan -14 points 1 year ago China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy. You can't have a stock market and be a socialist economy. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -19 points 1 year ago (28 children) And that socialist country can be developing and also bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (4 children) A socialist country can be bad, but if this is what you consider bad the sign me up to live in a "bad" country. 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes Student debt in China is virtually non-existent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/ Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j People in China enjoy high levels of social mobility https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9 Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China%E2%80%99s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4 From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&%3Blocations=CN&%3Bstart=2008 By the end of 2020, extreme poverty, defined as living on under a threshold of around $2 per day, had been eliminated in China. According to the World Bank, the Chinese government had spent $700 billion on poverty alleviation since 2014. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/world/asia/china-poverty-xi-jinping.html Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Was it you who recently posted an article that China now has a minimum wage that exceeds US minimum wage at $8/hr? I believe so, but it may have been in geopolitics somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh don't think it was me, but that's pretty incredible to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago I have neighbors who would appreciate that wage. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Mongostein@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago Sure, but do the Uyghurs get to enjoy all this? permalink fedilink source parent [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (11 children) I'd love to hear one thing you think China is doing that is bad that the US is not also doing to a larger degree. Please enlighten me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* This happens every time. When you actually ask what the "bad" part is, they just deflect. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -23 points 1 year ago (9 children) Both are bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (8 children) Ah nothing of substance to add got it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (7 children) .ml ain’t worth the effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-2 replies) [–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago And what are we doing not learning the good parts? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) @Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@tldrbot please help 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago Tell me you have no idea of the history of Tibet without telling me permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Sanctus@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminder its always a competition between who sucks the least. Another reminder that all the worlds most powerful nations are all spearheading censorships of one kind or another. The future doesnt look luxury or gay anymore. It looks redacted permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago What a stupid world permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (4 children) A socialist country can be bad, but if this is what you consider bad the sign me up to live in a "bad" country. 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes Student debt in China is virtually non-existent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/ Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j People in China enjoy high levels of social mobility https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9 Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China%E2%80%99s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4 From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&%3Blocations=CN&%3Bstart=2008 By the end of 2020, extreme poverty, defined as living on under a threshold of around $2 per day, had been eliminated in China. According to the World Bank, the Chinese government had spent $700 billion on poverty alleviation since 2014. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/world/asia/china-poverty-xi-jinping.html Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Was it you who recently posted an article that China now has a minimum wage that exceeds US minimum wage at $8/hr? I believe so, but it may have been in geopolitics somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh don't think it was me, but that's pretty incredible to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago I have neighbors who would appreciate that wage. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Mongostein@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago Sure, but do the Uyghurs get to enjoy all this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Was it you who recently posted an article that China now has a minimum wage that exceeds US minimum wage at $8/hr? I believe so, but it may have been in geopolitics somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh don't think it was me, but that's pretty incredible to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago I have neighbors who would appreciate that wage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh don't think it was me, but that's pretty incredible to see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago I have neighbors who would appreciate that wage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 1 year ago I have neighbors who would appreciate that wage. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Mongostein@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago Sure, but do the Uyghurs get to enjoy all this? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (11 children) I'd love to hear one thing you think China is doing that is bad that the US is not also doing to a larger degree. Please enlighten me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* This happens every time. When you actually ask what the "bad" part is, they just deflect. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -23 points 1 year ago (9 children) Both are bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (8 children) Ah nothing of substance to add got it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (7 children) .ml ain’t worth the effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-2 replies)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* This happens every time. When you actually ask what the "bad" part is, they just deflect. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -23 points 1 year ago (9 children) Both are bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (8 children) Ah nothing of substance to add got it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (7 children) .ml ain’t worth the effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-2 replies)
[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (8 children) Ah nothing of substance to add got it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (7 children) .ml ain’t worth the effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-2 replies)
[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago (7 children) .ml ain’t worth the effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-2 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 1 year ago Oh please do announce it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago You are. You are the loser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago And what are we doing not learning the good parts? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) @Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@tldrbot please help 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago Tell me you have no idea of the history of Tibet without telling me permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) @Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@tldrbot please help 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago Tell me you have no idea of the history of Tibet without telling me permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) @Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@tldrbot please help 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -18 points 1 year ago lol sure permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 year ago That's why you're confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moonburster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) @Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@tldrbot please help 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattiz6276@mastodon.uno 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) @Cowbee Thanks! Why doesn’t @tldrbot exist yet? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 year ago They do but they deliberately lie, hallucinate, and phone home. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago Tell me you have no idea of the history of Tibet without telling me permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Sanctus@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Reminder its always a competition between who sucks the least. Another reminder that all the worlds most powerful nations are all spearheading censorships of one kind or another. The future doesnt look luxury or gay anymore. It looks redacted permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago What a stupid world permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago What a stupid world permalink fedilink source parent