▲ 145 ▼ But according to the libs round here, ChInA BaDDDDddd (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by jankforlife@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 185 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Even from an anti-China perspective, this is a ludicrous statement. Xi has executive authority, but he only has it because he has the support of the Central Committee, which itself only has power thanks to the support of the rest of the national government. Xi is not a wizard who can make a billion people bend to his whims and he cannot wrestle them into submission. If you want to develop an anti-China position that is more useful (true or not), you still need to accept the basic fact that states are run by classes. So the question is, is China run by bureaucrats, private capitalists, or the people? You don't need to answer that to me. My point is just that autocracy in the sense of one person controlling the state is genuinely a myth, whether it's Xi, Trump, Hitler, or King Henry. They were all supported by and ultimately needed to answer to their respective states' ruling classes (which themselves subjugated at least one other class and might be working cooperatively with one or more other classes). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pillowtags@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 1 year ago Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election? permalink fedilink source parent