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If you include 'food', 'shelter', 'transportation' in 'commodity production', then yes, people want things like food, shelter, and transportation. People like being paid for their work.

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[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

These things should not be directly associated with work

Of course rewarding people for work is good in some sense in every economic system, just putting it in the sense of being paid just makes it very stuck in that sort of capitalist mindset.

Other economic systems can exist.

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

These things should not be directly associated with work

Unfortunately for humanity, food, shelter, and transportation doesn't place itself in front of you. People have to work to make/gather those things.

I would also love to live in a place where nobody had to work in order for shelter to exist. But, someone has to work to build the home.
I would love to live in a place where nobody had to work for food to exist. But someone has to grow and gather the food.
I would love to live in a place where nobody had to work for cars/trains to exist, but someone has to work to build the car.

Other economic systems can exist.

And in those systems, people will still be working for food, shelter, transportation. People like being paid for their work.

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[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

And in those systems, people will still be working for food, shelter, transportation. People like being paid for their work.

"Source: it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism."

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We shouldn’t confuse the use of currency with the capitalist system.

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[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In a decommodified economy, any sort of "currency" would not even be money in the modern sense of the word.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Describe this “decommodified economy” if you could. What does that mean to you?

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[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

An economy where goods are not produced to be sold at a market.

For example a communist society (classless and moneyless) would be one such system.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The only reason people have to be paid for their work is because the capitalist system requires it for those workers to survive.

Can you perhaps go back over this and explain what these words actually mean? I actually want to understand what you mean better. Because money is not identical to capitalism. And workers need to be paid for their work because they need to eat to survive. What is it that capitalism specifically is requiring here? I’ve seen one or two replies that are like “sure yeah people want to be paid but that’s capitalism’s fault too” and I genuinely don’t understand the point you are trying to make. Compensating someone for their work is a very basic concept not necessarily tied to capitalism. Even in the natural world there is very little labor that is not focused on some reward outcome. There is even compensation between species in symbiotic relationships. Compensation doesn’t seem like some weird forced artificial thing to me at all. It’s primal.

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