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This is not about houses (lemmy.zip)
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Of course, it's everyone's own decision what they do with their free time and it is not my place to judge anyone, but you could at least give a good idea a chance, right?

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[–] 4 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Would you honestly want people here who can't understand (checks notes) how "email" works?

Seriously, doing a DuckDuckGo or Kagi search would answer so many questions that do not need to be continually posted to a community over and over just to help foster "engagement" stats...

Also I doubt the complexity is the real reason - they just enjoy the comfortable and familiar, so that's what they do, regardless of whatever they say.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Would you honestly want people here who can’t understand (checks notes) how “email” works?

    I want enough people here so I don't have to keep !football@sopuli.xyz , the community about the most popular sport on the planet, active with less than five other active users

    Same for !movies@piefed.social and !lego@piefed.social

    If we have to make 50 comparisons to find one that works for people, so be it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    At what point is that a solution looking for a need rather than the other way around? Of course it is more complicated than that - people won't come unless they see it already, but they can't participate unless it exists already.

    What if you consolidated football, fútbol, hockey, etc. into a "sports" community? And movies + TV + videos into a "media entertainment" one? And LEGO et al. into "toys"? Fortunately PieFed offers an incredible amount of support for fragmentation of communities with multiple tools.:-)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    football, fútbol, hockey, etc. into a “sports” community?

    !hockey@lemmy.ca has Week: 14 / Month: 36 users

    !football@sopuli.xyz has Week: 123 / Month: 264 users

    !futbol@lemmy.world has 1 weekly and monthly active users

    The userbase just isn't there.

    !television@piefed.social is active but relies mostly on one user

    !movies@lemmy.world is mostly kept active by dwz@lemmy.world under different alts

    The issue isn't the community fragmentation, it's the total number of active users. Anything that can help people coming here, be it another metaphor, is welcome.

    Disregarding users who don't see how email can be compared to a forum isn't really achieving that goal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Yes I used email as a proxy, and as so many others pointed out here already (and which I agree), the Fediverse is nowhere close to being as simple as e.g. Reddit to use.

    I really like your earlier idea to just recommend like 3 instances, then link to a longer-form post listing out all the various factors such as "is the instance based in the USA", "are conservatives going to feel welcomed there" (no), "what about the tankie issue", etc.

    But THEN, if after all that, they either choose not to read any of it, or do and then leave, I wouldn't worry about it - bc you did your due diligence, so what more could you possibly do? And if you think of something, then yeah do that, but beyond that, it really is up to them to be willing to try new things.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    But THEN, if after all that, they either choose not to read any of it, or do and then leave, I wouldn’t worry about it - bc you did your due diligence, so what more could you possibly do? And if you think of something, then yeah do that, but beyond that, it really is up to them to be willing to try new things.

    The posts promoting Lemmy/Piefed only stay on /r/RedditAlternatives for so long. If at some point in time someone is looking for an alternative, goes to the sub, and sees nothing except 1-person project that will shut down in a month, then they can't find us, and we can't fault them for that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (19 children)

    That's why I suggested to combine communities together. Although PieFed already does that. Movies & TV seems quite active, and offers the best of both worlds not having to search for communities and also if someone is interested in seeing still more of a certain type of post then they can subscribe to the actual community - rather than the Feed - and see those in their Subscribed section.

    No we wouldn't fault them for leaving for that reason, but seeing how empty Lemmy can be (a fault that PieFed does not really suffer from, at least nowhere nearly to the same degree) is a different reason altogether than "it's too complicated".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (18 children)

    seeing how empty Lemmy can be (a fault that PieFed does not really suffer from, at least nowhere nearly to the same degree) is a different reason altogether than “it’s too complicated”.

    The issue wasn't new joiners finding the place empty, the issue is them not even having a look at it's too complicated.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (17 children)

    Yes Lemmy is quite complicated. PieFed is not however - again, at least not to the same degree. I don't know what instance would be best to recommend to people on Reddit (strongly preferably one that has defederated from Hexbear!), though pointing them directly to the page revealing Movies & TV might be a fantastic start? Or here is Cats on PieFed.zip? They don't need to learn everything - like defederation drama - on day one, just feel welcomed as they take their first step.

    Then once they are invested, they hopefully won't want to leave. But if they do... that's their choice?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I don't know who made that feed but it's lacking both !televison@piefed.social and !movies@piefed.social lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Let the team at piefed.social know so they can add them? Communities were in enormous flux there for awhile but perhaps things are a tad bit more stable now?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's a user-feed, not a topic. Topics are official piefed.social feeds. The official Tv/movie feed on Piefed.social is here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fwiw, if it helps to know, I clicked "Explore" in the web browser (this works in both Firefox and Chrome, although ofc it would bc it's just a URL issue!:-P) and then clicked Movies & TV, and that link is what it points to right now.

    Oh I see now... on a mobile device I did not scroll down, but the Explore menu has both Feeds, up top where people using a mobile web-browser would see those first, and then Topics down below. Anyway that Feed is what most people will most readily find when looking for that content, so it may be good to try to get those communities added, by contacting whoever owns it, or making a new one and replacing that menu choice with yours, or some such?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Skavau is moderator there: https://piefed.social/about

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    And mods can change that? Well if so then that's great!:-) My knowledge continually falls behind on how PieFed works (at some point it was a file in the sourcecode so only an admin could), but quite frankly that's great too because it reflects how extremely quickly that code continues to be updated! :-D

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I don’t know what instance would be best to recommend to people on Reddit

    https://piefed.zip/

    Then once they are invested, they hopefully won’t want to leave. But if they do… that’s their choice?

    What they do once they're here is a completely different topic. If the comparison in this meme helps, let's use it, and let's not disregard users who don't get the email comparison, like you did in your first comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    I would not recommend that one to people on Reddit - I can see that it does not defederate from either hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml as piefed.social does, see e.g. https://piefed.zip/c/news@hexbear.net and https://piefed.zip/c/worldnews@lemmygrad.ml.

    Let's see... piefed.world seems to have defederated from both of them: https://piefed.world/c/acab@lemmygrad.ml does exist but it looks to have been imported once rather than something that is connected continually.

    https://piefed.ca/ also has no content or communities from either of them so it too looks to have been defederated, and if you are looking to avoid the lemmy.world mods then that could be a great option, for people currently using Reddit who primarily tend to be from the USA?

    Or https://feddit.online/ for anyone located in Europe. All of those are great options and I would suggest to recommend them over piefed.zip.

    Of course everything is so new so we don't know so much about how well-maintained those servers are - feddit.online has a lower uptime below 95% but the others are all >99.5% so seem great so far?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Feddit.online is hosted in the US.

    Piefed.zip pros (transparency with regular reports, reactive admins) outshine the cons for me. With how Piefed allows user-level instance blocking, not having hb and grad defederated is acceptable.

    PieFed.ca is Canada oriented.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Piefed.ca shows All posts by default, to anyone including guests without an account, whereas Lemmy.ca's default was to show only Local - the latter was a huge blocker, so that having changed now on their piefed instance makes all the difference?

    I could see promoting lemmy.zip with a warning, similar to how you sometimes used to do with lemm.ee iirc, citing how it did not make moderation choices for the user unlike Reddit. But for a mainstream normie I would avoid it, or again at least put in a word of caution to explain.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    makes all the difference?

    PieFed.ca and Lemmy.ca are targeted for Canadian people, it's in the name, the logos, everything. Using that as a default recommendation would bring a lot of non Canadians to those instances, which would dilute the sense of community those instances have, and would be met with hesitation by potential new joiners "I'm not Canadian, why would I join here, isn't there a more generic instance"?

    I would avoid it

    As far as I know, there's no alternative for a reliable EU hosted Piefed reliable instance, so until one shows up, I'm going to stick to piefed.zip

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What about PieFed.social? I keep thinking of it as a more experimental instance, but while it may receive updates before any of the others it was you iirc who pointed out to me that it is no longer used as the "test" instance anymore. It defederates from both of those. I forget where it is located though?

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