I've never had luck. It's like reasoning with a toddler and arguing with a brick wall and trying to have discourse with a toy you pull the string on and it just repeats the same 5 things over and over.

They're fucking idiots that have been bred and brainwashed to be scared and fearful and lash out. They're like an angry stray dog, except I believe dogs can be rehabilitated - I don't know if I'm convinced of the same for these people.