IMHO, the problem with deno was trying to be too different. That is it. De facto standard tooling and existing knowledge about server side JS/TS goes out of the windows. Don't get me wrong, it does force NodeJS to be more innovative but those friction is too big of a cost compared to myriad of example using NodeJS. So when Bun is trying to be 1-1 drop in replacement with added frail, everyone loves that

I guess that's probably the push I need to but it on my dc5700s. That thing's been sitting on the shelf undeployed for too long.

Exactly. And that's before adding in all the "source available" code that's publicly available but not actually Free, let alone the leaked proprietary code that they've probably shoved into the training corpus willy-nilly, too.

The wording is weird. But the project (openslop) defines permissive as basically having a path for AI to enter the code. This lumps together both measured approaches like NetBSD's and fully embracing slop contributions in the same category.

I think this only makes sense if you view AI contributions as a taint, something that threatens the licensing of a project. In that optic, it really is an all or nothing. But it doesn't help users choose among the options as much.

I’m going to try it on my ThinkPad X250 this weekend. I managed to install Gentoo with a handbook printout 25 years ago. This can’t be that much harder or am I in for a rough surprise?

That is good to know. I've also just checked the commits, and now I'm unsure if the LLM-related lines actually signified LLM use or just were copied from updated software changelogs. I will remove my above comment and stop with this topic until I learn more.

If people are gonna try NetBSD, please be aware of the "sysinst" command, it makes starting out a lot easier.

Before I refreshed it there were 4 flagged commits, all from September 1st. Since then there was one new LLM-assisted commit so it looks like the rate is decreasing.

There were more commits, the scanner basically checks the most recent history and stops, just to confirm that the project still allows LLMs. I don't have a laptop or good internet right now to clone the entire repo and grep logs.

Do those two commits count as “increasingly”?

But which? Creative Commons have a range of different restrictions some aren’t even GPL compatible, copyleft as per OSI or GPL would still impede on the source available code licensed under CC BY-NC and vice versa.

And that’s forgetting all the blogs and books where no open license is given.

Theft is theft. AI CEO’s should be in jail.

and this is why AI code should either be considered public domain or illegal by default, unless the user can prove which code went into the training data.

But how is requiring explicit approval (meaning it's not something that is not typically allowed) considered "permissive"?

In fact, it matches two of the "Permissive" criteria: generated code has been merged, and the policy defines conditions that allow such merges (approval by core). The list still recommends various software made by NetBSD developers as viable alternatives to slop projects, where appropriate.

Have fun dying mad about it. The rest of us will be over here seething anyway, while you cope.

Biggest problem is proving where the code came from. Trying to pick out what software vibe code comes from is loke.trying to pick out a single hay strand from a pile of sharp broken glass and used needles. Can you do it? I'm sure with enough time you can, but at that point was the time spent worth it instead of learning how to be an actual programmer and/or developer?

Don't they still do development on mailing lists? That will keep contributors out for sure 👍

Don't you have to press enter?

I think you're right. Hopefully FSF will win some lawsuits and we'll get all the models made public

Better ask an AI to install it for you.

Lol?

I know nothing about NETBSD and would like some stories.

Can someone please tell the owner of https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware that NetBSD does not in fact have a "Permissive AI Policy."

NetBSD, the only OS where typing ldconfig instantly bricks your system without warning.

I don't bother with any distro that isn't designed to be installed easy. The 1st step should not be a hurdle.