Figure 11d - These findings suggest that microbiota depletion substantially attenuates KD efficacy.... i.e. they used antibiotics to reduce KD effectiveness. Very interesting.

in mice

in mice

i think most people don't read the titles, images work better

We could post that line as the next "soundbite" type post, I think they might be easier to read and digest (heh) for Lemmy than full papers.

Yup! no such thing as a carbohydrate deficiency, its in the foundational literature as you demonstrated, yet somehow that gets lost on the way to the food pyramid

You might also enjoy this paper

Application of nutrient essentiality criteria to dietary carbohydrates - https://doi.org/10.1017/S0954422420000050

Although sources of dietary carbohydrates can provide beneficial micronutrients, no signs of micronutrient deficiencies have been reported in clinical trials of low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets.

They also have a great writeup on fibre

The National Academy of Medicine defines dietary fibre as intact plant non-digestible carbohydrates, functional fibre as isolated non-digestible carbohydrates that have beneficial effects in humans, and total fibre as the sum of dietary fibre and functional fibre(1,Reference Otten, Hellwig and Meyers31) . Dietary and functional fibre are not essential nutrients, so potential health benefits were instead used to determine the recommended intake

publishing case series out of spite is the kind of emotional science I can get behind.

Since you made a new account - do you want to participate in the community in a positive way? I'm happy to have you here as long as you don't discourage people from participating

---- update the other mods intervened - sorry CTD

Did you forget to federate the ban from my former account(s) to this one for this comm? Either way, it’d be worth doing as you’ve made it clear my organic interactions with these comms will be selectively interpreted and banned.

they don't say anything about liver improvements, they just published this graph in the paper silently..... great live improvements.

the ladies lost 10kg in 3 months along with their PCOS/PMOS improvements.

very much the same, i want to keep whats left of my mind!

The research this talk is based on is one of the reasons I stay on an ~80% fat diet (the other big reason is it's the only diet that has reduced my body fat that is easy to stick to)

My family history has too much dementia to risk a high carb diet

A entire guide to doing keto! Written for clinicians, but anyone can read it.

Bret Schur gives a overview of the paper - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLdXbHBD_MM

He does call it a control trial, but i think he just got confused with RCT (the paper defines this as clinical trail), other then that, great video.

TLDR: Keto more effective in reducing live fat after 10% weight loss vs low fat plant based, and mediterranean. Keto 700% as effective at reducing blood glucose levels.

about 6 months for each diet intervention, long enough to actually adapt, they measured ketones, but only once during a 24 hour period at base and at 10% weight loss, with ketone levels 0.4-0.7 mmol/L... so very mild ketosis

ooph the paper reaffirms CICO in the introduction

Weight loss resulted in greater remission of prediabetes in participants in the very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet group (50%) than the Mediterranean (29%) and very-low-fat plant-forward (7%) diet groups (P<0.05)

why isn't that the headline? keto 700% as effective as a plant forward diet in reversing prediabetes

There is concern that a high-saturated-fat diet has adverse effects on plasma lipids and cardiovascular disease risk38,39. However, weight loss induced by a very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet – containing 23% of energy from saturated fat – resulted in similar effects on total and LDL-cholesterol, apolipoprotein B, 24-hour triglycerides, and blood pressure as the Mediterranean and very-low-fat plant-forward diets.

ha! they fixed the study, its only obese people, so they wont have any LMHRs by definition... not sure if it was intentional or not, but the fact LDL didn't rise in obese people isn't a surprise, and I'm not sure it would help the naysayers back off

its a great paper with really solid data collected, it's worth reading and evaluating in depth.

I could do so

@xep@discuss.online Dave mentioned this as n=1 data reported in his group, so I'm not sure of the actual rate - i couldn't find any papers on it... but as he says in the interview, you can test - cut coffee for 10 days and check your TG again.

I drink a lot of coffee and my triglycerides are very low. So I'm happily not affected that way

Oh that might be me...?

Blaming the addict for lack of willpower isn't the best strategy!

I'm so glad people are starting to put 2 and 2 together instead of telling the obese to eat carrots.

Coffee has a triglyceride elevation in some people! Interesting

I was the same way, at around 130 as well. After a year on zero carb I'm at about 120, so we've similar experiences. I feel a lot better at 120, although that could be all the other improvements from not eating carbs.

Great article. I used to hover around 129, and I always found it odd that in Europe it was normal, but here in the US, they liked to say it was Stage 1 Hypertension. I always suspected it was because here, they want to steer people to unnecessary meds. No proof of it. Just suspicion. So I felt sorta vindicated coming across this!

Doesn't bother me anymore since I'm in the 118/75 range now and have been for a bit now. Training for a marathon. :)

https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k2158 The paper studies a cohort of mean age 92.1.

I know someone with a far lower bp than normal who's a competitive swimmer, bp alone doesn't tell us nearly enough to know I think.