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[–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "Then I sacrificed myself to save you from the rules I made up myself. I could've just changed the rule, but somehow this convoluted plot line was simpler."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    "Luckily there was a loophole in those rules that I (omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient) made."

    If that doesn't scream, "made up by the clerics trying to avoid contradicting each other and bringing the whole house of lying cards down as they went", just keep sending money to your church. Because if a god needs anything, it's obviously worldly riches and unquestioning loyalty. We need these churches to impress everyone with the power of our god, but he's sleepy after making it all and throwing tantrums bigger than we can imagine because people were acting like the way he made them capable of acting, like cartoon villains in some cases, like a whole city whose first reaction to seeing an angel was "Let's all rape it!" So that's why you need to send your money without any questions!

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I know it’s hard to grasp but there is wisdom in this, if you care to find it.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    *to redeem you from my judgement, since you will never be good enough to undo you having Knowldege of Good and Evil, in the original shouldering of Collective Guilt.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    *Then I offended some of you so that you wold kill and I could forgive you killing me and at the same time kind of forgive everyone everything but not only under certain conditions.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Now eat my flesh and drink my blood. I SAID DRINK IT PLEDGE

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This Shit confused me so hard when I was 10

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    God: I want to smite them all and fuck off to Rigel 7.

    Jesus: Please don't.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I think Jesus’ backstory plays into the manipulative auntie strat where they made 1 singular sacrifice in their life and because of that you have to be grateful and mow the lawn, Willy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It confusing because no one explains that Jesus was a cultist who said everyone was going to rise from the grave and this world would become heaven. Jesus was pro zombie world so much that his followers made up Zombie Jesus to prove he was right.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Isn't Christianity just a blend of pagan, Judaism and Zoroastrianism? "CopyHomeWorkMeme.jpg"

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The Arians were right!

    (I mean Arianism the faith, not the other thing)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The guy that was famously punched in the face by Santa Claus

    Real story, st Nicholas punched Arius because of the whose heresy thing, and the resulting chaos led to the council of nicea

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Enkelt penkelt citronklämmis.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Lmao!! Perfect

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “So that we can destroy all of those not chosen by god/me and rule the entire world until god/I take the even more chosen by god/me to ascend to heaven while everyone else desperately kill each other in the demon infested aftermath of god’s/my complete abandonment.”

    This is not hyperbolic, that’s literally the goals of christianity and abrahamic religions in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Modern Judaism doesn't really have this kind of view of the end of the world at all. This was kind of fad in Judaism for a while due to Israel getting conquered a bunch by foreign powers but it hasn't been a big thing for like 2000 years at this point

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    You forgot the one little fact that said virgin was 13 at the time of impregnation.

    PS. Epstein didn’t kill himself.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It gets better.

    The Greek word that's eventually translated to English "virgin" means unwed. (I have no source at hand to support that.)

    Let's employ Occam's razor.

    Mary (lit. Beloved) is just some dirt poor farmers daughter who got knocked up and ran away to the next village with her boy friend. Gave birth in a barn.

    Then 25 years later this dude shows up again, a carpenter by trade, and is a total hippie.

    Then all his mates write down his adventures in letters to each other.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm kinda curious about your source. The infancy gospel of James puts her at 16, still creepy, and it also has fun weird shit like the priests having her take a magic abortion potion test to prove her purity and her vag burning the midwife's hand.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Mary wasn't the virgin, her mother was. She had to be pure that way to carry jebus. It's so nonsensical even the followers of the religion get their own shit wrong.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What? Mary was allegedly a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus, but that's not what immaculate conception is about.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I thought immaculate conception was the idea that Christians had about heritable sin from Adam and Eve, and that when Mary was conceived the sin associated with humanity in general skipped her somehow. Virgin birth, something separate, was Mary making Jesus via parthogenesis and Bible magic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong I grew up in a cult so I got half of this off the internet.

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  • [+] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've read somewhere (don't remember where sorry about that) Mary wasn't a virgin, and Joseph was definitely Jesus' father until some much later time when some pope decided that sex with women was gross and tweaked the story.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    it was always part of Mathew.

    The fun fact is that Mathew insists this is to fulfill a prophecy in Isaiah. (Mat 1:32, referencing Isaiah 7:14)

    Mathew's verses

    ^18^ Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be pregnant from the Holy Spirit. ^19^ Her husband Joseph, being a righteous man and unwilling to expose her to public disgrace, planned to divorce her quietly. ^20^ But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ^21^ She will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” ^22^ All this took place to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet:

    ^23^“Look, the virgin shall become pregnant and give birth to a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel,”

    which means, “God is with us.” ^24^ When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife ^25^ but had no marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Jesus.

    The verses in Isaiah Mathew is citing

    ^10^Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, saying, ^11^ “Ask a sign of the Lord your God; let it be deep as Sheol or high as heaven.” ^12^ But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, and I will not put the Lord to the test.” ^13^ Then Isaiah[d] said, “Hear then, O house of David! Is it too little for you to weary mortals that you weary my God also? ^14^ Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Look, the young woman is with child and shall bear a son and shall name him Immanuel. ^15^ He shall eat curds and honey by the time he knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. ^16^ For before the child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land before whose two kings you are in dread will be deserted. ^17^ The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on your ancestral house such days as have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah—the king of Assyria.”

    -Emphasis mine.

    The Isaiah prophecy is being given to Ahaz as a sign that his enemies will get rekt. The child being mentioned, here, is nothing more than a time-marker. Basically, what it's saying is, that somewhere a young woman will give birth and name the kid Immanuel. By the time that kid has reached the age of majority or whatever, then everything else (enemies being rekt.) will have happened.

    There's a few mistakes the author of Mathew is making here. First. The prophecy was given to Ahaz and could not have possibly been about some kid seven centuries later.

    Secondly, in the original Hebrew, the word is most certainly "young woman" or "maiden" not "virgin." so the prophecy isn't even saying there'll be a virgin giving birth. Just a woman, and the sole role the kid plays is to identify a period of time. at that time and place, it would have been around fourteen.

    The second mistake comes from the author using the Septuagint instead of the original Hebrew texts. for whatever reason the Greeks translated 'maiden' to 'virgin', and quite incorrectly so. Most modern English translations (particularly for Christians,) make the same mistake because it would be awkward otherwise. Suffice it to say that the author of mathew has exactly zero understanding of the old texts- probably because he was a Hellenic Jew, and spoke/read Greek- not Hebrew or Aramaic.

    basically all of the messianic prophecies mathew points to beign fullfilled were either not a prophecy originally, or so severly misunderstood that it's incomprehensible to imagine the author did anything other than throw spaghettified shit at the wall to see what stuck.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Probably sooner than that. The "Pope" as we know it is an office that evolved later, though the Catholic church claims the line goes back to the Apostle Peter.

    The stories in the gospels are a collection of stories that had been circulating orally among the first century Christians, and got written down mostly in the late second half of that century. Mary likely never claimed a virgin birth at all; that was invented by the oral tradition. Pretty much everything about Jesus childhood is made up to push certain religious narratives.

    Which itself is sometimes interesting to follow. The whole census story behind Jesus birth, for instance, is almost certainly made up. Why would Rome require everyone to go back to their birth city to register? That's hugely disruptive to everyday life if people have to travel days or weeks just to fill out some paperwork. But why did they stick that in there? One good answer is that the particular group who wrote that section of the gospels--it doesn't appear in all of them--really wanted to connect Jesus to King David and Bethlehem, but everyone knows Jesus is from Nazareth. So they stick this convoluted census story in there to have a reason for Jesus to be born in Bethlehem instead of Nazareth.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    One good answer is that the particular group who wrote that section of the gospels–it doesn’t appear in all of them–really wanted to connect Jesus to King David and Bethlehem, but everyone knows Jesus is from Nazareth. So they stick this convoluted census story in there to have a reason for Jesus to be born in Bethlehem instead of Nazareth.

    Specifically from the prophecy from Micah

    ^2^But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah, who are one of the little clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to rule in Israel, whose origin is from of old,

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    Contextually, the entire book is one prophecy being given in the face of the Assyrian occupation (which was brought on by Ahaz begging for help.) Micah says that a figure will come from Bethlehem- because that's where David is from.

    The key points are:

    • they're a descendent of David
    • they will liberate Judah.
    • The israelites that were taken as slaves/captives will be returned
    • the people of Judah will come back to being righteous as a kingdom. (AKA stop sending treasure from the temples as tribute to the Assyrians.)

    These are things that Hezekiah has done, mostly. The prophecy of Micah in general is a sort of justification for Hezekiah's reign- it was in fact written after he came to the throne and started doing all these things.

    Remember that Jesus did none of the messianic things that they're supposed to have done.

    • He was never anointed a king by a prophet, and couldn't have been an heir to david anyways. (his father was god, not joseph)
    • The temple was rebuilt by zebe-whatshisname; about five hundred years prior. the second temple wasn't destroyed until after 70 CE, which happens to be around the time the gospels were written.
    • He didn't bring any exiles back.
    • didn't establish a divine, eternal kingdom in what would be described as the Messianic age,
    • didn't bring peace.

    and that... is why he rose from the dead and is coming back. he just had to run and get some milk from the grocery store.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Now let's have a quick snack I've prepared from myself. I'm also made of bread and wine.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not just a virgin, a young teen. A child.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Dear Jesus, why you gotta do me like that?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Remember this is still the nice version. The OT is the "we mean business" half. Honestly re-reading some of the OT stories as an adult is fucking wild, and kind of fun if you treat it as mythology. Its still fucked up don't me wrong. Tho I sometimes think it would be fun to watch an HBO mini series about the OT. Like the story of Samsung is just wild.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Just to dump more gasoline....

    ... Mary didn't- and couldn't- give meaningful consent.

    Gabriel told her how it was, and she was like 'okay'... but between the power imbalance and the consequences of not bringing the savior of the entire freaking world into the world... it's basically a gun to the head of all humanity.

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