no comments (yet)

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
there doesn't seem to be anything here
23 comments in c/fuckcars@lemmy.world view that post
[–] 54 points 4 months ago (14 children)

This is going to make roads more dangerous

  • source
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    They say its because they are the safest drivers but I mean. Maybe that is because of the yearly test they have to do. They are still requiring the vision test.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    They are the safest drivers because everyone is smashing into each other to avoid these folks looking for the early bird buffet at 20mph

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I mean that would be the other drivers fault. I can pass a car without crashing into other cars.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I mean it was a hyperbolic example, the point being that they often drive much slower than the posted limit and/or the speed of traffic, have problems merging, accelerate extremely slowly, brake unpredictably, or are confused. Of course the same could be said about any driver, but it's just a basic fact of physiology that human faculties decline with age and that operating a heavy motor vehicle at that time can be hazardous, especially with the size of vehicles today.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I have seen nothing to indicated this than people stereotyping them. I think its kinda the opposite. driving the speed limit or maybe even 5 under. which is actually the way people are supposed to drive but other drivers expect a minimum of 5 over and feel that 10 is normal and 5 is the slow side of acceptable.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's all things I have witnessed in my 30 years of personal experience as a driver, it's not stereotypes, it's basic human biology

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    stereotypes come from individuals percieved personal experience. Heck even more diverse because then you get little groups that talk together and confirm each others biases and it kinda grows from there.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    You keep ignoring the biology part

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yep there should be more road testing required as you get older, required for renewals every 5 or 10 years after age 60

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, just do it every ten years for everyone. Then the blue hairs can't claim agism, and the idiots who decide it's fine when they run stop signs will need to demonstrate that they understand traffic laws.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    10 years is too long. There is a big difference between a 70 and 80 year old driving. Bigger from 80 to 90. And everyone else could deal with more frequent reinforcement of good driving habits too. I think every 2 years is probably about right. Sure, it would be inconvenient, but it would definitely save lives.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Road tests should be mandatory anytime you need to renew a license, no matter the age.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    While I want to agree because I expect I’d pass the test, this would further burden a system that is already wildly underfunded and understaffed. You think wait times are bad now? Imagine how bad it would be if every single driver had to retake their test, instead of just signing a form saying their info was up-to-date. Wait times for a simple license renewal would be measured in months instead of hours.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    In Louisiana you take your road test at the same commercial place that teaches you to drive. Once you pass they give you the documentation you need to take to the DMV to get your license. Except some of the commercial title places can do that too. Lots of people will pay for the convenience of not going ro the DMV. Given the state, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Sec of State owns a chain of these places.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    What. The. Fuck.

  • source
  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Sounds like a horrible idea!

  • source
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    What used to happen when you turn 87?

  • source
  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    No, Chicago has a really coherent traffic layout

    Also, my employer docked my paycheck because I didn't follow the prescribed route.. That was just garbled text

    Also, please rescind my mother's driving license

  • source
  • 16 comments in c/news@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 71 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Fucking what?! That's insane. If anything, they should have more tests. Also, why is 86 the upper cutoff?

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    According to the article, they bumped up the age for the driving test to 87. Drivers 79 to 86 just have to renew in person and take a vision test.

    As for the deeper why, I think its pretty complex, but the short answer is probably that it's easier and cheaper for governance. I imagine it's simpler to throw the book at a driver after they mow down a kindergarten classroom than to navigate journalist interviews about why people of a certain age are having more trouble surviving because of a thing the government did to them.

    Some alternatives would include increasing driving standards and having periodic tests, investing in public transportation so people aren't effectively trapped if they lose the ability to drive, funding more social outreach programs for those who can't drive, etc.

    It's all just time and money that governments don't want to spend because it could be career suicide if their politician's donors don't like the resultant taxes. That little fact is the root of a lot more and bigger issues than just dangerous drivers.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    States and local politics historically were not driven by political donors. We're starting to see that change this election cycle with some bonkers money pouring into primaries, but that's definitely not the normal.

    So laws like this aren't about donors; they're about voters. Retirees are the largest and most active voting block in state and local elections. Young people don't turn up in the same numbers for mid-term and especially off-year elections, but old people always show up. You don't win elections by taking privileges away from the only people casting ballots.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I looked up Illinois' most recent crash stattistics and found that 75 and older had some of the lowest crash rates, about 3x less crashes than 18-19 year olds, even with about 2.5 times more licensed drivers in the 75+ age bracket.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There's more drivers in the 75+ bracket, but I don't see anything about accidents per miles driven.

    If you drive ten times as much and get in three times the accidents, that doesn't make you a worse driver.

    Those 80 year olds mostly aren't driving to work every day. Some are, it's the US after all.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Noted. I'm not arguing either side, but it's possible that there is a bias against older people based on anecdotal experience. To you point though, there probably are many things that factor into the policy. If older people are driving less, they still are a lower risk to crash as a demographic.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 53 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Here’s a source other than CBS, aka Fox News Light.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/new-illinois-law-will-change-drivers-test-policies-for-senior-citizens/3950213/

    Please stop sending traffic to CBS. They cancelled Colbert and are actively sabotaging 60 Minutes trying to turn it into a state propaganda machine.

    The easiest way to avoid posting CBS news articles is to not get your news from CBS in the first place.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Please stop sending traffic to CBS. They cancelled Colbert and are actively sabotaging 60 Minutes trying to turn it into a state propaganda machine.

    To this point, I was wondering does anyone know a way in Lemmy so simply auto-block any stories posted from CBS news at the user level? I'm not asking for a community wide ban as we should each be able to make our own choices, but I'm personally not interested in giving CBS any traffic.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    This will go poorly.

  • source
  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    "Mad max, but everyone is super old."

  • source
  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    With all the zombies driving around this seems like a bad idea.

    But I will say that someone driving 20 under the speed limit and making sudden maneuvers with no warning is less dangerous than a road rager. A bit.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment