What do you know, looks like propaganda still works.
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How accurate is this poll? Did it account for people who didn't answe the phone?
Newsweek's MBFC profile places them right-leaning with "mostly factual" reporting.
Their source "Cygnal"'s MBFC profile is actually rated more credibly than they are and left leaning. You can read the Cygnal Article directly if you want, I tried to find methodology in their 67 page report but all I could find was the "sample size: 1500" in tiny text at the bottom of the last page. I say they're pretty shit compared to PewResearch or other Pollsters.
At work, we got hispanics who are republicans and talk about "open borders" and how trump is only deporting "the worst of the worst". While they're also talking about how they try to inform their children on racist remarks they may hear at school or during their activities.
I don't even know what to say
I’ll try not to laugh when the 60+% are next on the planes.
You're assuming that LEGAL immigrants would be deported, but the LEGAL immigrants are just mad that they put in the enormous amount of effort to go through the LEGAL channels while the ILLEGAL immigrants basically run roughshod and make a mockery of their efforts.
You mean illegal migrants get deported less than legal ones because they're harder to find?
I'm merely stating that when you work hard to do something the right way, seeing somebody get what you got by breaking the law is frustrating. It's human nature.
Those people aren’t “getting what you got” though. They’re getting a life on the run, living scared, trying to stay under the radar. Pretending like they’re getting anything even remotely similar to what legal immigrants get is ignorant and exactly what those that are in support of this bullshit want you to think.
Living on the run because they're breaking the law. Lots of people don't like when people break the law. But I'm just telling you what legal immigrants are likely to think and why they may support the deportation of illegal immigrants.
Certainly is, it must hurt even more when you put in all the effort to do things officially and jump through all the hoops and then they send you to an El Salvador torture camp anyway. Because that is what actually happens. They just slap some bogus charge on you if people complain about it, to make the deportation seem warranted.
Traitors to their own people... and the Global South. My bet is that they were once immigrants too.
I literally know undocumented immigrants that wanted other undocumented immigrants to be caught by ICE so there is more jobs left for them and rent prices go down for them, according to what they said. Individualism has made people cut throat af.
Opinion only. But my guess is individualism grew from a increase in cut throat people.
Capitalist billionaires gaining control of world governments. Then using it to move the world to a modern reinteretation of feudalism. Is IMHO the actual cause of the increase.
The capitalists have always had control of governments within capitalism. States are not distinct from the ruling class, but an extension. What we are seeing is not a shift from capitalism to neofeudalism, but the consequences of the dying stages of capitalism before socialism. Capitalism has decayed and is dying due to monopolization and centralization of capital, and due to imperialism, but these same conditions prep capitalism for revolution and collective ownership and planning, into socialism.
In theory. And if you look at post war UK. It Def lead to a greater support for socialism, the forming of new party etc. removing our past 2 party system with a different one. The very one that no longer supports socialism.
But socialism cannot and will not grow it of nowhere. The US has never had a large support for it. The UK and much of Europe had people with respect pushing socialism in the 50 to 60. Ex soldiers seeing a whole new way of doing things built the very socialism we understand now.
The US just dose not have anyone effectively making arguments for this. Without such leaders. And honestly we also have non effective left in Europe anymore either.
Add to that. Their is absolutely no evidence of capitalism losing control. It is actually doing very well by it's own standards. As instead ideas like socialism are losing power while capitalism is effectively moving wealth into the hands of the few and most powerful.
It is only failing by the opinion of those of us that disagree with it.. and expecting that to start socialism without some major change. Is just wishful thinking.
This is a very myopic, eurocentric point of view. Capitalism in the global north is sustained by imperialism. The global south, and its suffering, is what keeps prices artificially low in the global north. This system is crumbling, and disparity is rising faster than ever in the global north as a consequence. Countries like Burkina Faso are kicking out occupiers like France, and BRICS is gaining as the west is falling in relevance.
Further, the UK did not go socialist, unless I'm misreading your meaning. Socialism, as it exists in the real world, can be found in countries like the PRC, Cuba, and former USSR. I'm not talking about welfare.
Further, the US is seeing normalization of socialism. Mamdani may be a socdem, but has implied a far more socialist line, ie collectivizing production. The assassination of the United Healthcare CEO is being met with united support among the working class, and parties like the Party for Socialism and Liberation are reporting record member growth.
Opinions aren't what drive social change, material conditions evolving and changing do. The material conditions of capitalism in the west are declining, and socialism is gaining. The global south is increasingly throwing off the shackles of imperialism. If you take a very myopic, eurocentric view, then it can be easy to only see companies getting larger and larger and disparity rising, but if you zoom out this very system is pushing the profit motive and capitalism with it to the brink.
You are failing to understand my point.
I don't disagree with the birth of capitalism. Although it is basically a new name for imperialism. It is the obvious effect of the post fudal middle class becoming the leadership post aristocratic rule. But it can also be an idea independent of its birth and leadership.
Where I disagree that anything currently existing can push those processes towards socialism. BRICC members are far from a socialist majority. Most nations in BRICC are equally supporting of the ideas of Capitalism. At least the ideas sold by those that use it for imperialism.
It is entirely possible. (Although far from probable) That BRICCs or a descendent from it. Will lead to the global south rising to take over from the current western default rule.
But for that future to be socialist it will need the leadership of those nations to think on socialist ways. And most simply do not do so ATM. Nor dose any probable event indicate a change in how these nations would run the world economy.
Unfortunately for Socialism to thrive. Yes you need opinions to have a major effect on world politics. Without it socialism as an ideal is impossible.
I'm not misunderstanding you, I simply disagree with you and your frame of analysis. Not everyone you speak to that disagrees is misunderstanding you, same with me.
You have a very idealist frame of analysis. Capitalism's persistence is not due to ideas, but material conditions. The compulsion for socialism isn't something won over because some people have socialist ideas, but because capitalism necessarily paves the way for socialism and creates its own demise.
Plus, the PRC is the largest economy in BRICS, and is a socialist country. Even if your frame of analysis requiring BRICS to have large socialist elements to supplant capitalism was correct, it's already correct, China eclipses every other economy in BRICS.
I have a feeling, knowing the current temperature among that community that they were scared to say they were against it.
I have a few coworkers that are Mexican and one that is Puerto Rican and all of them would happily help deport their neighbors because in their eye they’re one of the good ones.
Polling company Cygnal. If you go to their website their clients are all Republican organizations. Pretty much ALL of their clients are Republican.
That doesn't seem like they are impartial at all.
Cool. We all should support the legal process to deal with people who have broken laws.
Now ask if they support picking people up off the street and throwing them into foreign jails without ever having to provide any evidence that they’re here illegally. Or even when we know for a fact that people are here legally, if they support arresting them and kicking them out too.
I’m exhausted with this fucking bullshit. No one supports people breaking the laws.
Ask people if they support the constitution and if they believe the government is free to ignore it.
Also. Fuck Newsweek. Here’s the link to the poll https://www.cygn.al/poll-karens-freak-out-over-ice-raids-as-hispanic-support-for-deportations-surges/
So, a GOP pollster that says "changing minds" is part of its polling process...
I support people who break the law
The crime angle on immigration was always made up. Crime rates where lower than average among this group. So if you deport that group crime rates would go up.
No one supports people breaking the laws.
What about these laws? Or these laws? Don't you support people breaking unjust laws?
I think what you're really saying is that you think US immigration laws are generally just.
I support people breaking unjust laws, like bing gay or stealing from mega corps. not surprised an ml user doesn't see nuance
Emphasis mine.
Support for President Donald Trump's deportations has surged among Hispanic voters in the space of two months, according to a new poll.
The survey, conducted by polling firm Cygnal between July 1 and 2, revealed that the percentage of Hispanic voters that strongly support the deportation of people in the United States illegally rose by 11 percent between May and July 2025.
Now see, the first emphasis is not actually equivalent to the second. Therefore, the headline is false.
In the first sentence of the article, they link to another of their own articles from July 4th which proclaims "Donald Trump Gets Polling Boost From Hispanics" wherein they reveal "Trump's net approval rating among Hispanic voters stands at -30 points, with 32 percent approving and 62 percent disapproving. That is up from a net approval of -37 points in May, when 26 percent approved and 63 percent disapproved."
Sure, Trump is getting "boosted" by 4% more Hispanic voters deciding they like him at the same time 1% more Hispanic voters decided they dont.
Oh yeah, and then at the end of the linked article they shill for DHS' app and cash offer? WTF, Newsweek?
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