I know there are plenty of software missing from here. This is just a fun infographic I made, no need to take it seriously :)

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

The hardest online privacy is not operating in a way that just links all your "private" activity because you logged in around enough places to link them together and at least one place somewhere can be linked to your real identity

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Pretty sure banks have a pretty good track record of "keeping your money safe". Why the fork would anybody trust banks to keep their money safe if they can't keep your money safe?

    I don't really understand why that statement is even on there?

    Unless you mean to argue some anonimity point, which I could agree with considering e.g. Monero would be more anonymous than a bank.

    But safe? I'd say the bank is quite safe to store money.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    any bank that has the capacity to close your account without you explicitly requesting it should not be considered safe.

    fucking cip errors deleted my accountwhoever invented cip errors should be defenestrated at the earliest convenience

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Money in the bank can be seized and frozen for all sorts of reasons. If you're in the USA, then police can charge your money with a crime even if you haven't broken any laws. It's safe until it's not.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Can confirm. about 15 years ago, my bank account was frozen for 3 weeks for child-support enforcement. Only they weren't talking about my kid or even me. Some dude in Florida with my same first and last name was a deadbeat dad. So they froze my account because apparently, he didn't have a bank account or something.

    What's super annoying about it is that we had different middle names, not even close to the same social security number, and not one person even contacted me before my bank account was frozen. I only found out because a check I wrote or something bounced. And I was like, WTF?

    I was finally able to talk to enough bank people to clear it up. But it took 3 weeks. I never got an apology for it either. And the fuckers did not refund my insufficient funds fee. I mean, it was only $15 bucks, and it would have cost me more than that in my time to get a refund, but still...

    So yeah, even here in the US, banks can suck.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    The intention was more "Banks keep my data safe," but I wanted to provide a clearer explanation that if your data isn't safe, neither is your money. I didn't have enough room to put my full thoughts.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    where's the shovel and double-ziplocs to bury your cash, silver, gold, platinum, and palladium? or the zippo to burn your prints off? get on my level, ho

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What anubis has to do with privacy or security?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    For starters, it's open source. And I'm not too into the details, but the creator of Anubis even mentioned that they were interested in creating a non-javascript version for privacy.

    Google's reCaptcha, to which Anubis is being compared to by OP, is obviously far less private. It's just another mechanism of control and data harvesting for Google. One of the ways that they determine if you're malicious/human or not is to check if you have a Google cookie in your browser and are signed in. Not to mention fingerprinting (hardware and software info), browsing data, AI training ironically enough (the fucking streetlights), etc etc.

    Anubis is relevant here because it is more private, among other things.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I'll go further than this and say that true security is where everybody has support enough to not want to steal your shit, hack you etc.

    Yeah corporations and governments are still a problem, for now, but both of the above parties would be far more secure if they did mutual aid, supported progrms to help the impoverished etc etc.

    Basically having a collective approach to security and not such a myopic individualistic one.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Security isn’t the size of the app, it’s how you use it :)

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Security isn’t the size of the app

    This could have two meanings, one of which I figure I should address:

    1. If you mean "size of the userbase for an app," then yes, even projects that fly under the radar are much more secure than "mainstream" options. That's the main purpose of this infographic.
    2. If you mean "physical size of the app on the infographic," the reason they're different sizes is simply because they were hard to fit on one page, and this made it look nice ;)
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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    math is always stronger than marketing

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    But you do know that Tor/VPN is not really privacy, nor security? It hides your IP, but that's about it. If you still login, and give any information, and that could just be your "fingerprint" you are not anonymous...

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I2P is king here but it has a limitation that makes it stronger but less practical. I2P doesn’t generally do outproxies. A few exist but they typically aren’t trusted or used. Instead, I2P tries to keep private by only routing around traffic the originated within its own network rather than piping things from clearnet from one place to another. An issue with arrives that do that is you can see traffic from a honey pot going into a black box and with enough monitoring where it ends up leaving that black box. It’s very difficult to track traffic flow within the network but once it jumps back into clear net you can find it again.

    Now while you can argue that it doesn’t come out on clearnet, just originates from there, I counter that with Microsoft Windows telemetry, it might as well be clearnet. Windows is the dominant player at the moment so it’s most likely the traffic ends up on a windows machine. There are really benefits behind the telemetry date but they also means there’s a single point an authoritarian regime can apply pressure to to monitor whatever they want. With advances in AI, chewing through tons of collected data is much easier to do, so the idea of “they can’t stop all of us” is ridiculous. They will just pick off the undesirables in smaller chunks.

    Ultimately nothing is completely safe but if you really value privacy, make yourself such an enormous pain in the ass that monitoring you becomes a chore.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hopefully you don't log in or give personal info to every website you use. Hiding your IP is still more private than not hiding it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do you know what your fingerprint is? And all the ways you are being tracked that is not about your IP?

    You do give personal info to every website you visit - with the exception of a very few, who respect your privacy. If you think you need to log in, to give personal info, then you are sadly misinformed.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Any article or post of how embrace the use of some of those technologies?

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good question! There are hundreds of good resources, some of which include Privacy Guides and my friends at Punching Up Press (they have a lot of other good infographics). Naomi Brockwell TV is a YouTuber with some great beginner friendly videos to guide you step by step. Let me know if you're interested in others!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    OP would not recognize a threat model if it bit him in the ass.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    What's with the diss on Malwarebytes?

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Mainly because it's proprietary, privacy invasive by nature, and invasive on computers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Proprietary sure, but how is it privacy invasive let alone invasive on computers?

    What non-proprietary option is there? I can't think of a single antivirus option which is actually remotely decent which is open.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ClamAV is an open source antivirus, but I would recommend against using an antivirus altogether due to their invasive nature. You shouldn't need one with proper sandboxing and isolation.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    ClamAV is slow to get updates and frankly not a great tool to use. AV is a must as isolation and sandboxing are only as good as the next exploit. Not too mention scams like phishing are not stopped by isolation.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I have this bad gut feeling about Signal and Proton, I have no evidence tho.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Some of those mentioned likely are compromised, but cannot figured out which. The thing, is to diversify our risk and the privacy minded to use different platforms (Proton VPN and Mullvad VPN for instance).

    The good news, is that if an agency is compromising something, they will likely won't use the intel gathered in court cases in order to leave it open to future prey, so that is good for vast majority of users. The very few that are relevant enough should not trust even the genuine privacy tools and resort to enhanced methods and combining methodologies.

    My impression, and just impression, is that I would trust **Tuta **more than Proton (and not because Proton's CEO that many interpreted wrong anyways) On VPN... a tad more trust on Mullvad. Signal, I would not use it for high stakes communication but OK for most people. GrapheneOS seems okay and we know for sure it does not leak info on a daily basics, but we have to be careful, it could have an obscure code dormant waiting for a trigger or could easily send data to an unsuspected server, Ironically, if I were Snoden, I would feel more comfortable using a Huawei Mate with HarmonyOS than a Pixel 9 with GrapheneOS... of course China spies too massively, but it has far less beef with Snoden than the US does, therefore not of much interest to Beijing.

    Remember that overwhelming majority of FOSS goes without any audit, let alone a comprehensive one. This is what some trusted party should put AI checking ASAP all the FOSS out there!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Very interesting insights. Funnily I use all of the services you cautiously recommend, including GrapheneOS, but not HarmonyOS, hard pass on that one. As a German I am also legally required to prefer Tuta. :) I still have that OG 1€/Month contract.

    Edit: Your last point is a good idea, although I think the more popular an open source app is, the less likely it is to be malicious. A lot more eyes on it and the xz backdoor was caught pretty much immediately.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Of course... for us normies... GrapheneOS is the way to go. Very high targeted individuals in the West should however consider HarmonyOS. Of Course the Chinese government has eyes on that one but not specifically targeting you... unless they use it to trade intel on someone of high interest for China but no much collaboration between West and China intelligence agencies today...

    True, popularity increases the chances someone auditing. But, to a point. Ideally audit should be performed with every single update and on the servers, and there the premise of more eyes does not hold true no more. Then it comes trust. In a company like Tuta, the people behind showed their faces from day one, the same people are there, is a tight team so harder for a bad apple to do something. Considering both Tuta and Proton were good from inception (and I believe it may be the case), it would probably would be easier for an intelligence agency to penetrate Proton than Tuta, just for the structure that appears they have from outside. Now, Tuta made a horrible mistake once! In the Russian invasion of Ukraine, independently of one's take on it, Tuta made the "Standing with Ukraine" (March 2022); that was a mistake, it may many doubt if privacy still their paramount over any other ideology. Maybe they have change since since no statements on Gaza... or maybe they agree with what is happening... who knows... that is why they should not make any statements at all, or clarify that while they have their ideologies in no case, ever will compromise their stands on privacy. To be fair, Proton did the same... nothing on Ukraine but on Gaza "We unequivocally condemn the terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israeli civilians […] We also condemn violence against civilians in Gaza"; so I guess both are comparable here! My trust for both is slim, as a company, and even their individuals.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe it's because the current administration uses signal to plan acts of war and proton's ceo is supportive of said administration.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    They don’t use Signal though. They use a clone called TeleMessage Signal which logs and archives all their messages on an Israeli server, and which a hacker was able to access before the service was suspended.

    You can’t really help if someone forks and misuses software.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Ah, I believe this is what's called "a conspiracy theory" if you had more details.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    For Proton it is the "tech bro"-y feeling and for Signal it is wondering about financing. Also, if you are paying for your own audits there is an obvious conflict of interest.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm sorry - paying for an audit is somehow a conflict of interest? How exactly is that?

    As someone who had to contract auditing firms every year, and personally sign off in their report as part of our compliance, I would love to hear how I should have ....what? Won the audit lottery? Applied for some sort of government assistance? Prayed to an audit fairy godmother?

    Who the F else is paying for our audit? I want free audits! I bet everyone does.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My guess is they think that since you're paying for the audit the auditors won't bust you for fraud, which is cute, since the auditors are asked to audit specific things that the company asks them to audit. They're not released on the company like witch hunters, with wide open access to everything, cutting a swathe through fraud and criminality while people are furiously burning documents in the basement. So there is no conflict of interest, since the auditors are looking at what the people using them are asking them to look at.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know, it's just kind of laughably shouting they don't know what either an audit or conflict of interest actually are.

    The hardest part some times is finding an audit firm that isn't stupid expensive, but also won't do a shit job and give you a report that looks like some knock-off free LLM didn't write it to maximize their own payday. I love a good audit report with findings, it means I didn't waste money. But my shit is (well, was, at another place years back) locked down tight, so we didn't ever expect anything terrible.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Same here, everyone was so stressed about "the audit" but we had written common sense processes and executed them as needed, with mechanisms in place to flag potential areas for improvement if we found gaps.

    The audit was fine.

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    Well, unlike Bitcoin, Monero is actually anonymous, and sometimes you gotta make payments online.

    You can't do it privately with your card.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bitcoin's Lightning Network has onion routing for privacy, like Tor.

    When Bitcoin had a bug that allowed some guy to give himself a bazillion bitcoin, it was detected and patched before he was able to sell them. When Monero encounters a similar bug, it will only be detectable by the price going down.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I'm not super knowledgeable on how anonymous such routing us, hence I avoid it.

    Don't know why people bombarded you so much - the other side of total anonymity is that you really never know if anything got broken and someone earned off it.

    My suggestion, however, is to use Monero for payments, and not as a store of value.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This is the correct initial reaction but given the extent to which the US monitors every single transaction everyone makes, it's getting awful hard to manage the influx of feral hogs without having them streaming through your door.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I chose Nord VPN based on several posts I read on here (Lemmy). Why are Proton and Mullvad better choices?

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Proton VPN and Mullvad VPN are both open source, meaning their code can be publicly audited to make sure they're upholding their standards of privacy and security. Furthermore, Proton VPN offers a free tier. These are the main 2 reasons. NordVPN only protects your privacy against other websites, not NordVPN themselves. Hope this helps! Let me know if you want more details.

    Edit: Mullvad VPN can also be paid for in cash/Monero, and they don't ask for any personal information to use it (not even a username!)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Being open source doesn’t uphold a lot of standards of privacy and security for VPNs. It’s not useless, but the most common worry about VPNs is traffic logging, and open source apps do nothing to prevent this since it’s server side. ProtonVPN and Mullvad VPN don’t protect from themselves, and they can keep logs. The reason they’re commonly recommended is that they’re more trusted in the privacy community in general. Obscura VPN and Nym VPN do mostly protect from themselves because they’re a two-hop VPN. In the case of Obscura VPN, it’s a first hop through their servers, and a second hop through Mullvad’s. So to associate your traffic with your IP address, Obscura and Mullvad would need to cooperate, which is quite a bit less likely than a single VPN operator logging user traffic.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    I just think the most trustworthy VPN is the one no one is talking about. NordVPN is a sponsor on every single YouTube video. They are mainstream. I don't trust mainstream. Mullvad has proven they don't keep logs. They are simple. They don't even have accounts. A 16 digit number is all you get to login. No pass. No email. No ties to you. You fill your subscription like quarters in a meter.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Nord. They are kind of disliked here because they’re not open source and they did a lot of commercials not long ago. Despite all that, they’ve publicly reported multiple third-party audits of their code, which I think is a good thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It's not about what you use, but how you use it. PEBCAK Almost 100% privacy and security is offline at home, reading a book, if you bought the book with cash and not online and/or with credit card.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I don't think anyone thinks WhatsApp is secure

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Same email for everything is fine if you use subaddressing. My email service, Port87, makes it super easy.

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