PC Master Race

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[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 months ago

Yes but it is still very impressive in my opinion no where near close to like being something a common user would ever use but I love their dedication to it still.

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[–] agelord@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'd like to think that there's a certain tipping point after which most things will fall into place and stuff will just generally work apart from the occasional bug or breakage.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I hope. Look, it feels like a pipe dream that's not meant to happen, but I have to commend them for their tenacity and hard work. And if it does all fall into place, I'll be happy and will celebrate with the devs that's for sure. I'm just wondering if it will ever be in a usable state, if they're wasting their time on something that simply will not work or work well enough. Only time will tell, but honestly, it's starting to feel like they might pull it off.

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[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Even if they never do, my understanding is that they have worked with developers for tools like WINE, so even if they never truly finish the project, they've already made some meaningful contributions just by furthering those projects.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago

That's true, so it's not in vain at all.

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[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 22 points 5 months ago

Yeah but when will they get DOOM running on the screens in Half Life on Windows in Linux?

[–] nevetsg@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago

But can it run Crysis?

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Is this the shambling remains of lindows?

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Na, Lindows was just Linux that looked like Windows (kinda). ReactOS is FOSS Windows, no Linux kernel involved. It's an original kernel which apes Windows as closely as possible. The idea is that hopefully, some day, it'll be a full drop-in replacement for Windows with full support for Windows software, no compatibility layer (e.g. no Wine) required.

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Interesting. I applaud the efforts ... though I do find myself wondering if that energy could have been focused on a more unified front for those compatibility layers instead. Backwards compatibility certainly would be useful but I feel like modern compatibility (parity) is a sisyphian task. You'd be eternally chasing a standard that a company is setting for you. The exact company with a history of file format and code changes to fuck with efforts identical to this. You'd never be able to pull ahead.

I'll have to go read up on the project. I'm interested in the project itself - but deeply curious if they have addressed that elephant.

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

TBF this project started decades ago before proton and a lot of compatibility layers became mainstream.

Also, ReactOS is closely tied to helping WINE and always has been, so it's not a complete waste. It'll just never actually emulate Windows in any stable way.

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Ive had some time to look at the timelines and that was definitely in the "era" of Microsoft making poor choices for the end user. Apparently lindows rebranded (who knew lol) and also crawled into existence around the same period.

I think, for good reason, people should be concerned with the direction of any consolidating market. I believe the devs were correct to have the foresight to anticipate this eventual reality.

Also, ReactOS is closely tied to helping WINE and always has been, so it's not a complete waste. It'll just never actually emulate Windows in any stable way.

Exactly what I was curious about considering the goals are similar and could benifit from shared knowledge. Very cool.

As far as the emulation layer discussion goes - I'm not so sure it will matter in the years to come. It needs to simply provide a 'good enough' bridge to other platforms to allow a critical mass to form. After that point those platforms can stand alone as a viable alternative and grow from there. Example: VMWare debacle.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Lindows "rebranded" because Microsoft sued them for trademark infringement. They've been "Linspire" since... 2004, I think?

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[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

People who do stuff like this often can't redirect their focus at will. They get passionate about one specific thing and do great work for that. You try to steer them towards something more useful, they end up losing the passion completely.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

First off, as others have said, Wine and ReactOS benefit each others' development.

But second, for those folks, particularly less-tech-savvy ones, who feel like they "have to" use Windows for one reason or another, "Windows except FOSS" seems a much easier and more tempting option than "Linux but tries to be like Windows". I do think that argument is a bit less compelling than it once was, but for sure, if ReactOS was "done" and fully compatible with Windows 11 or whatever, my mother, for instance, would be beyond thrilled to switch to that. As it is, she's kinda sorta starting to come around to the idea of using Linux maybe at some point, but she fears the learning curve. (And I very much don't blame her for that.)

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[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago

iirc reactos research benefits wine as well

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 4 points 5 months ago

waiting for the day they migrate to nt 6.0

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This will be an essential part of industry quite soon. It all runs on old versions of windows and having a compatible, supported runtime will be invaluable.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Might also pave a path towards governments moving off windows if it can run existing software they use.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

Wine would still be better though, especially if they have the source code. Can be used like a dependency to produce a Linux compatible package like how Java applications either bundle or depend on a JVM in the package manager.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 5 months ago

yeah that's true

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[–] J3N5T4R@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

It's good to be back in 1998 again.

[–] HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago

I honestly would love it...

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[–] MoreZombies 47 points 5 months ago (4 children)

"Details on X".

urgh, I don't want to read anything on Twitter.

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[–] Mensh123@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Good thing the details aren't actually details. It's a super short Tweet by ReactOS with celebratory screenshot and the acknowledgement that it still has bugs and crashes you wouldn't get on actual Windows. That's genuinely it.

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[–] MoreZombies 1 point 5 months ago

Appreciate you

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[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Replace "x" with "xcancel" in the url, and it usually works (slightly better than the raw cesspit)

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[–] MoreZombies 11 points 5 months ago

oh I get I can, I just think Twitter is horrid and I don't even want to acknowledge it in that form lol

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[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 5 months ago

amazing

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[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

What a time to be alive.

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[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Wait I don't mean to put any shade on these developers but don't we already have Linux and wine, why would you try to copy windows?

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 18 points 5 months ago

Actually, ReactOS and Wine have historically worked together and share significant technical overlap in the goal of reimplementing the Windows API, though they have different approaches and end goals. They're separate projects now, but a lot of work in wine happened thanks to ReactOS.

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 5 months ago

because a fucking depressing amount of computers are still running old windows versions for compatibility reasons, and it would be really nice if we could eventually replace it with something that isn't a leaking sieve in terms of security.

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[–] HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

why would you try to copy windows?

Because you may prove you can? I mean, this is an absolutely valid reason.

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[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

Never underestimate a dev's willingness to do something simply for the hell of it

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

how does it handle Starcraft and Age of Empire 2?

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago

I use a ReactOS vm to play Command and Conquer Red Alert. I haven't tried the games you mentioned but they should work if they work in Wine.

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[–] Admirable_Bagel_0989@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

That's fantastic. Congrats to the ReactOS devs

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Which will come first, ReactOS being capable of running a hypothetical Half Life 3 or Half Life 3 being released?

[–] kibblebits 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Capability, since HL3 has been confirmed to not exist. Sad days.

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[–] Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago

Half life 3 is real

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[–] sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What else more do you need?

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[–] ghodawalaaman@programming.dev 10 points 5 months ago

hardware support :(

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

I would like to play factorio

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

Steel Panthers.

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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

I just want the rest of the Direct 2D draw calls implemented

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

FOSS reimplementations of proprietary software feel like possibly the most effective way to wrest back all that companies like Microsoft have taken from everybody. (And it serves as a pretty effective "fuck you" in the process.) So it always thrills me to see such projects reach major milestones like this.

They're unfortunately super labor-intensive. And progress on this one has been slow. But it's good to see they still happen.