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Trump Hits Record-Breaking Low in Polls as Aides Leak: He’s “Furious” (newrepublic.com)
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[–] 101 points 4 months ago (7 children)

A new Emerson College Polling national survey finds President Donald Trump holds a 39% job approval rating

Same 39% "new low" he's been at for the better part of a decade now

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    His recent downward slide has been pretty severe

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, then how is it possible that I've seen this exact headline, and dug in to find this exact 39% figure, dozens of times since 2016?

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    So the way it works is that they measure approval. They ask 100 people if they approve of him. 39 say they approve, 40 say they disapprove and 21 say they don't care. They remove the people that said they don't care and do the difference between people that approve and people that disapprove which is -1 so they report that his net approval rating is -1. 6 months later they ask 100 people again, 39 say they approve, 60 say they disapprove and 1 says he doesn't care. Now his net approval is -21. So you can see that his base is still supporting him it's just that people that previously didn't care now care.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    If only you could get them to care for more then a couple hours, there are a lot of republican voters who never pay any attention to anything, they go to the polls because they feel like they are supposed to, they vote R cause that's what daddy did and his daddy before him all the way back to when the Republicans were the progressives, they are ideologically left of center. But they live in a hard R republican area, so they never meet progressives, if the bought gas a within a couple days of the pollsters calling they will say " I don't think he's doing so good" the rest of the time it's "yeah he's doing fine I geuss".

    I know these people I used to talk to them, they are the republican voters who aren't always angry, they are just willfully ignorant.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    If the people you know are anything like the people I know, they'll argue with you over a specific policy decision too, like you'll say, he's caging kids! and people I know have said to me, that's' the parents faults! So.. it's really difficult to get through to them. They really are The "Anti-Suffrage Ostrich" set in modern times

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    The owns I knew were more likely to not argue, it was always "its not polite to discuss politics".

    I've found that "polite conversation" is all about maintaining status qou.

    Let's talk about sex, money, and politics.

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    • [–] 76 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    No matter how low it goes I'll never understand how it isn't zero. (As much as it should be zero, it unfortunately never will be. Well over a hundreds of years from now, I imagine right-wingers will romanticize Trump the same way they romanticize Reagan and the Civil War and... you know... Hitler.)

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    You need to understand that huge amounts of people don't tune in to anything. And the methods to reach them are well dialed in by whoever reaches them.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Yep, keep in mind all the retired old fucks who watch literally nothing but fox on their channel tv

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Yeah. All of them. Every single one. This guy knows. /s

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Have you not been around old people in the last 30 years? That’s all they fucking watch. Then they listen to right wingers like Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity on the radio when they get in their car. It never ends. They are constantly bombarded by bullshit 24/7.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I am an old person. So when you say "they" you are absolutely wrong. Say "a lot" or "some" if you are interested in being closer to the truth at all. We are all bombarded with bullshit and it comes in many different forms from many different people. Maybe even you?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    You don’t have to get into semantics about it. To young people like me who see it so often, it feels this way to us. It does not mean every old person does this obviously… I was exaggerating, but it doesn’t come out that way when writing. If I was saying this with my voice and put emphasis on it via cadence then you’d understand where I was coming from.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    There is more than one way to read *all of the retired old fucks".

    You seem to have read it as meaning that "all old people watch that crap."

    I read it as, there are old people, look at the subset of them who watch that crap.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Yeah. I guess I need things carved in stone. I don't like to make mental leaps as I'm usually wrong. I get your point though, even the bible and the constitution come down to interpretation.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve asked them. Generally they turn it into a comparison of Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, or Obama. Or, rather, they turn it into the right-wing news outlets distorted funhouse mirror versions of those rivals. They may see that trump is bad, but in their eyes he’s not as bad as those “villains.”

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, try explaining to them that Obama deported more people than Trump's first term. They refuse to believe it regardless of the evidence you can provide. They just can't accept that the Southern border wasn't just completely open at that time.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Where I live, there are still Trump and MAGA flags all over the place. None have come down over the past year, and many are replaced with new ones as they fade. Nothing Trump has done has put a dent in his support among his most vocal supporters. This is further reflected in the campaigning among the GOP candidates in the recent primary election for the state governor’s position, where they’re basically in a competition to prove that they’re more like Trump than any of the other choices. It goes as far as one using “Fight Like Hell” (remember that one?) as a campaign slogan.

    There’s no hope for some people.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This is what baffles me the most - the effects of Trumps regime aren't abstract - no, they are the very opposite, very tangible, to be felt by literally anyone. Like the most obvious thing should be the increase in gas prices, followed by the increase in groceries. Do those people have a) so much money that they simply don't care or b) don't have the mental capacity that all of this is directly because of Trump? And what kinda jobs do those people have that they are not affected by the mass layoffs and hiring freezes?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Anytime something bad happens, they just say it's because of some policy Biden did. It's a simple copout that works for them. And if it's not Bidens's fault? Then it's immigrants. Or poor people. Or trans people. Or Muslims.. And on and on the cycle goes.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I agree that it’s not rational. I think it depends a lot on selective memory and compartmentalization. A recent comment on a local news story exemplifies this. Somebody claimed that gas prices being down from their post-Iran-attack peak proves (proves!) that Trump was right again. But they ignore several key facts, like prices are still higher than they were before the war, they’re still higher than they were at the end of the Biden presidency, and that the underlying issues exposed by the war have not been resolved and gas prices may still rise.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The biggest single lever to reduce gas prices is almost certainly moving to electric.

    If MAGA was smart enough to convince 90% of folks to switch, the last holdouts on gasoline would have the whole supply to themselves.

    But we're not dealing with a bunch of stable geniuses here.

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    • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The true metric would be the percentage of former Trump voters who would change their vote next time. What I see a lot of is people who disapprove, but still could never conceive of voting differently. American politics is kind of like sports teams fans - you pick a team and stick with it, no matter what changes occur.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Well one of the minor advantages of low voter turnouts is if people are disappointed by their "team" then they don't bother voting, which can change the result, especially when the other side is livid and highly motivated to get out to vote

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This only works for one election. Conservatives have short memories and would vote the same bastard who made their lives miserable the first time back into office 4 years later. That's not an improvement, that's just a temporary reprieve from the systemic deconstruction of our government's purpose to help the general populace.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Very true. That's why the rest of the world watched the US install Trump for the second time and then decided to reroute the circuit around America.

    It is an acceptance that the US could pull the crazy lever at any time so it is better to have more independence and less reliance on them.

    Of course, enforced isolation is not good for the US in terms of economic development, national security or force projection, but this is a self inflicted wound. Other countries didn't get a vote.

    *I assume that someone out there might say, "good, we don't need you". Okay, have a great life then.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    That is a good point. In years past, there has usually been one side quite called to action. Lately, I find that both sides seem disenfranchised - I find it really hard to predict what the midterm turnout will be since it feels like there are so many voters on all ends of the spectrum who want to abstain (assuming the election is fairly administered, which is quite an assumption these days)

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    • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    He's "Fuhrerious"...

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    • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fat and Furious

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    • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Suicide is always an option for him.

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    • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    There's no way they aren't going to rig the midterms. I expect Republicans to sweep both Houses with a supermajority.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    They certainly are but its not really binary like rig or dont rig.

    They're trying a bunch of different things to greater or lesser extent in different places.

    However, the swing against them might be "too big to rig". So even though they block some postal votes and send ICE to polling booths, it might not be enough.

    The stronger the dem vote the more egregious their manipulations need to be.

    Its almost comical how terrible a job this admin is doing of everything other than rewarding the oligarchs.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    If they’re getting people to frame this as R vs D, they’re winning. Just not as fast as they might want to.

    It’s the socialist-leaning takeover of the Democratic Party that has them worried. Because those people won’t use the Republican playbook.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    It's weird how the cons blather on about freedom and liberty and the Constitution and 'merica, etc., and try to act like they are the arbiters of what patriotism is.

    Meanwhile, it is they that did things like have avatars of Putin shirtless on horseback. It is they that cozy up to dictators and they who absolutely despise democracy.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago*

    Why ever would they do that?

    Our political system depends on the "heel" taking a back seat every few years, now the "face" comes in for damage control with much incompetence; due to their ineptness, the "heel" will be able to convince just enough of the next generation to vote for them and start the process anew.

    This has worked for longer than any of us have been alive.

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    • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Its impossible to quantify, but it really feels like most people have just had enough.

    He was already on shaky ground, but then he let Israel talk him into this stupid war, which was a basic campaign promise. Not only did it violate an important campaign promise, but it wrecked his other campaign promise to lower prices.

    And EVERYONE can see it. He can try to blame it on Biden or Obama, but there isn't a single person in America that thinks this is anyone's doing but Trump's.

    When we look back, this war will be where it turned. After the Midterms, when this war is still going because he can't stop thinking out loud, he won't have the support of anyone except about 18%, his dumbest diehard loyalists.

    He's going to pivot to religion. His last two years will include a lot of religious rhetoric, that God wants him to lead American Christianity into the future, and he will openly feud with the Pope.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    but there isn’t a single person in America that thinks this is anyone’s doing but Trump’s.

    Oh I'd say there's a out 1/4-1/3 of the country that will still blame literally ANYONE except their orange kid-diddling god emperor

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yup. I unfortunately live among many of them, still proudly wearing their Trump hats and bumper stickers and waving the MAGA flag. I personally would be utterly embarrassed to do that at this point, but stupid people don't tend to be very self-aware.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, yeah, he'll always have supporters, but that's good. They will identify themselves for us as the worst of the worst in our society. These are the people who are cool with corruption, treason, pedophilia, etc., just so they can exercise their racism.

    On the future, these people should get no benefit of the doubt by society. If they're misbehaving they should get the maximum punishment.

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    • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's pretty easy to not be furious about it. Just do the opposite of what he's been doing.

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    • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Is it 38? Tell me it’s still 38

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    One of hundreds to thousands of politicians responsible has a low approval rating. Progress?

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    [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Not surprised, With this president he’s going to breaking record lows for the foreseeable future.

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    • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    What is the lows are actually the project 2025 guys turning off the tap so Trump actually fucks off next election and they can put the next guy in

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